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I had a hard time making it through this video. This guy’s shtick is grating. At 1.5x speed, there’s still tons of pregnant pauses for where he thinks I should be laughing, I guess. However, this is a point I agree with:
[In a segment about asking “the right kinds of questions”:] “What, rather than scope, do we really want more of?”
Baldur’s Gate 3 would be just as fulfilling of an RPG at half the length. I’m in Act 3, about 70 hours in, and I skipped a lot of stuff along the way knowing how much game I had ahead of me. Further still, there’s a lot of stuff I didn’t do along that same way because my character build didn’t open those avenues or because I just didn’t know it was there. It’s a very dense and deep game, and that’s what’s important to me rather than the length. It’s important to me that they continue to do what they’ve done well in Divinity: Original Sin with all of those tiny interactibles and the way all of the systems work together to allow you to come up with your own solutions. The raised standard, to me, is that they managed to iterate on that with Mass Effect level production value in the conversation system where you don’t just get a story that’s written well or voiced well but also performed well. On top of that, the game brings back old standards that this industry mostly forgot in that it has LAN and direct IP connections as well as being available DRM-free so that the game or its multiplayer features don’t have an expiration date attached to them. I didn’t necessarily need this game to be 100 hours long in order to get the enjoyment I’m getting out of it.
And the thing that the author of this video seemed to miss is that several of the quote reply tweets to that thread were from AAA developers, which is where the IGN video came from (which wasn’t even the first video to bring this up). The same thing happened when AAA devs behind the likes of Assassin’s Creed were publicly criticizing aspects of Elden Ring as though people weren’t fed up with the kind of experience that Assassin’s Creed provides, and it led to that famous UI barf mock-up of Elden Ring. Elden Ring, like Baldur’s Gate 3, only happened because its team iterated on something smaller, and it too avoids lousy monetization schemes.
Baldur’s Gate 3 would be just as fulfilling of an RPG at half the length
I could take courses on rhetoric for the rest of my life and still wouldn’t be able to disagree more with that statement. If anything the game could need an act or two more.
Honestly, whenever I see someone complaining about a long game I wonder why they are in such a rush to finish it. What’s the problem with a 500 hour game? Just take your time. No need to finish it whenever you’re done with it, even if it’s only years later. But I guess gamers today just need their next dopamine fix and can’t be bothered anymore to invest some time into a game. After all the next overhyped game is just a week or so away and it absolutely needs to be played right at release! Best make every game like a 2 minute tiktok so gamers can consume at an even higher rate!
The problem with a 500 hour game is pacing, finding natural calls to action and conclusions to those story arcs. And the next game that comes out in a week offers a fulfilling experience in a different way, and it’s nice to see a breadth of different great experiences rather than just one really long one. I say that as someone who’s put 1500 hours into my favorite game. I’m not necessarily wishing for Baldur’s Gate 3 to be shorter, only that Baldur’s Gate 3’s scope could have been scaled back without affecting how much I enjoy it or how much value I got out of it. I would really like to see a batch of D&D 5e games on this engine the way there was a batch of Infinity Engine games back in the late 90s and early 00s, and even those games were much shorter than BG3. In general, I’d say games over a certain budget threshold sacrifice a lot of enjoyment in order to make their games bigger and/or longer, and games like BG3 and Elden Ring are the exception, so in most cases, I’d rather big games like Halo Infinite or Assassin’s Creed scale down to the smaller experiences they used to be.
Now you’re talking about the quality of a game. That’s a completely different discussion. I obviously take a good, short game over a long, bad game as well. But given that the quality is equal in all aspects, I would always take the longer game over the shorter one.
I had a hard time making it through this video. This guy’s shtick is grating. At 1.5x speed, there’s still tons of pregnant pauses for where he thinks I should be laughing, I guess. However, this is a point I agree with:
Baldur’s Gate 3 would be just as fulfilling of an RPG at half the length. I’m in Act 3, about 70 hours in, and I skipped a lot of stuff along the way knowing how much game I had ahead of me. Further still, there’s a lot of stuff I didn’t do along that same way because my character build didn’t open those avenues or because I just didn’t know it was there. It’s a very dense and deep game, and that’s what’s important to me rather than the length. It’s important to me that they continue to do what they’ve done well in Divinity: Original Sin with all of those tiny interactibles and the way all of the systems work together to allow you to come up with your own solutions. The raised standard, to me, is that they managed to iterate on that with Mass Effect level production value in the conversation system where you don’t just get a story that’s written well or voiced well but also performed well. On top of that, the game brings back old standards that this industry mostly forgot in that it has LAN and direct IP connections as well as being available DRM-free so that the game or its multiplayer features don’t have an expiration date attached to them. I didn’t necessarily need this game to be 100 hours long in order to get the enjoyment I’m getting out of it.
And the thing that the author of this video seemed to miss is that several of the quote reply tweets to that thread were from AAA developers, which is where the IGN video came from (which wasn’t even the first video to bring this up). The same thing happened when AAA devs behind the likes of Assassin’s Creed were publicly criticizing aspects of Elden Ring as though people weren’t fed up with the kind of experience that Assassin’s Creed provides, and it led to that famous UI barf mock-up of Elden Ring. Elden Ring, like Baldur’s Gate 3, only happened because its team iterated on something smaller, and it too avoids lousy monetization schemes.
I could take courses on rhetoric for the rest of my life and still wouldn’t be able to disagree more with that statement. If anything the game could need an act or two more.
Honestly, whenever I see someone complaining about a long game I wonder why they are in such a rush to finish it. What’s the problem with a 500 hour game? Just take your time. No need to finish it whenever you’re done with it, even if it’s only years later. But I guess gamers today just need their next dopamine fix and can’t be bothered anymore to invest some time into a game. After all the next overhyped game is just a week or so away and it absolutely needs to be played right at release! Best make every game like a 2 minute tiktok so gamers can consume at an even higher rate!
The problem with a 500 hour game is pacing, finding natural calls to action and conclusions to those story arcs. And the next game that comes out in a week offers a fulfilling experience in a different way, and it’s nice to see a breadth of different great experiences rather than just one really long one. I say that as someone who’s put 1500 hours into my favorite game. I’m not necessarily wishing for Baldur’s Gate 3 to be shorter, only that Baldur’s Gate 3’s scope could have been scaled back without affecting how much I enjoy it or how much value I got out of it. I would really like to see a batch of D&D 5e games on this engine the way there was a batch of Infinity Engine games back in the late 90s and early 00s, and even those games were much shorter than BG3. In general, I’d say games over a certain budget threshold sacrifice a lot of enjoyment in order to make their games bigger and/or longer, and games like BG3 and Elden Ring are the exception, so in most cases, I’d rather big games like Halo Infinite or Assassin’s Creed scale down to the smaller experiences they used to be.
Now you’re talking about the quality of a game. That’s a completely different discussion. I obviously take a good, short game over a long, bad game as well. But given that the quality is equal in all aspects, I would always take the longer game over the shorter one.