I would love to see the archaeological evidence that suggests our species begun exploring “morality” through agreeing on certain behaviors being “good” or “bad”. Unfortunately all evidence we have on early humans demonstrates our species has been “spiritual”, e.g. believing in a greater force beyond our control that determines outcomes and promotes group unity, as long as we were leaving a mark on the world that outlasted our bodies.
You can disagree, but that doesn’t change what we know about early humans and their early belief systems, and that we lack any supporting evidence for your point.
Morality is a word given to a specific idea, i.e. a universal set of rules for “Good” and “Bad” that are believed to be undeniable, and is different from “rules” or “laws” prescribed to live cohesively.
If we agree not to murder each other to the benefit of the group, we are not saying we won’t kill each other if it no longer benefits the group. If we agree that murder is inherently wrong, we are saying that we won’t kill each other even if it does benefit the group.
Morality requires more than simply agreeing to not do something. Simply abiding by a rule in animals is called “premoral behavior”, which assumes they are not acting with morality but the precursor to it. Much like we would have before developing those basic “rules” into a morality that has been historically done through spirituality.
So explain slavery. That was once morraly good. Hell, some still do.
There is no such thing that is universally good ot bad. If it were it would apply universally not just to the ingrown.
We are seeing it all over thr world in real time. Murder should be a universally condemned act yet we see “moral” people screaming for the death of people they deemed unworthy every day
Wee e just to add you and I may think a thing should be a universal good/bad it doesn’t make it true and is easy to see even in our own countries
So explain slavery. That was once morraly good. Hell, some still do.
What is there to explain? We aren’t the only species on the planet who take slaves.
There is no such thing that is universally good ot bad. If it were it would apply universally not just to the ingrown.
I know. Hasn’t stopped our species from fighting about it. Which is why my point is something “Bigger than humans” was required to unify our species beyond small groups who agree with one another.
We are seeing it all over thr world in real time. Murder should be a universally condemned act yet we see “moral” people screaming for the death of people they deemed unworthy every day
I know. Doesn’t change my point.
I am not arguing that “morality” is a universal inherent thing. In fact, I am arguing that it is not universal, not inherent, and you are supporting my point which is that Spirituality and Religion preclude Morality because “morality” is not universal and “something bigger than our species” was required to move beyond family sized units.
That does not mean it worked and we now live in a morally sound utopia.
So your arguing morality is this untangle thing that we just pulled out of our arse because we want to ne nice to the people we want to be nice to. And not because we are a social spices who have evolved to ensure survival of said species
Not at all what I said, which is why I said earlier I sincerely do not believe you understand English well enough to continue having this conversation.
I would love to see the archaeological evidence that suggests our species begun exploring “morality” through agreeing on certain behaviors being “good” or “bad”. Unfortunately all evidence we have on early humans demonstrates our species has been “spiritual”, e.g. believing in a greater force beyond our control that determines outcomes and promotes group unity, as long as we were leaving a mark on the world that outlasted our bodies.
You can disagree, but that doesn’t change what we know about early humans and their early belief systems, and that we lack any supporting evidence for your point.
We don’t need archeology we see it every day with pack animals. Those that don’t conform get ostracised or worse
That isn’t “morality”.
Morality is just a word we give to our personal rules to live by thes begin in groups
Morality is a word given to a specific idea, i.e. a universal set of rules for “Good” and “Bad” that are believed to be undeniable, and is different from “rules” or “laws” prescribed to live cohesively.
If we agree not to murder each other to the benefit of the group, we are not saying we won’t kill each other if it no longer benefits the group. If we agree that murder is inherently wrong, we are saying that we won’t kill each other even if it does benefit the group.
Morality requires more than simply agreeing to not do something. Simply abiding by a rule in animals is called “premoral behavior”, which assumes they are not acting with morality but the precursor to it. Much like we would have before developing those basic “rules” into a morality that has been historically done through spirituality.
So explain slavery. That was once morraly good. Hell, some still do.
There is no such thing that is universally good ot bad. If it were it would apply universally not just to the ingrown.
We are seeing it all over thr world in real time. Murder should be a universally condemned act yet we see “moral” people screaming for the death of people they deemed unworthy every day
Wee e just to add you and I may think a thing should be a universal good/bad it doesn’t make it true and is easy to see even in our own countries
What is there to explain? We aren’t the only species on the planet who take slaves.
I know. Hasn’t stopped our species from fighting about it. Which is why my point is something “Bigger than humans” was required to unify our species beyond small groups who agree with one another.
I know. Doesn’t change my point.
I am not arguing that “morality” is a universal inherent thing. In fact, I am arguing that it is not universal, not inherent, and you are supporting my point which is that Spirituality and Religion preclude Morality because “morality” is not universal and “something bigger than our species” was required to move beyond family sized units.
That does not mean it worked and we now live in a morally sound utopia.
So your arguing morality is this untangle thing that we just pulled out of our arse because we want to ne nice to the people we want to be nice to. And not because we are a social spices who have evolved to ensure survival of said species
Not at all what I said, which is why I said earlier I sincerely do not believe you understand English well enough to continue having this conversation.
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