TLDR: I feel like I wasted a day of my life over the Hue terms and conditions change, and am not convinced that the terms & conditions change panic was worth my time (…and I still “lost”, as I gave in to it). Perhaps you can commiserate with my frustration, or if you’re feeling charitable, tell me what I’m doing wrong.
Long story: Like many of you, I own & operate about a dozen Hue light bulbs, and for many years. Unlike many of you, I am completely new to home assistant; I’ve never used it before. But, reading about the terms & conditions change for Philips Hue, I bought into the hyperbole, and decided I would do something about it.
I bought a Sonoff “P” zigbee dongle, and plugged it into my Unraid server. I set up Home Assistant (first in Docker, then in VM). I tried zigbee2mqtt and/or ZHA back-and-forth several times.
This stuff is NOT user-friendly. Home Assistant wasn’t a terrible experience; it is confusing, but it found & behaved well with most of the stuff in my house… except for those damn light bulbs. Perhaps I’m merely mediocre for this community, but I am easily the most technically savvy person I know in real life, and this was an exercise in frustration just for a dozen light bulbs.
Neither z2m nor zha was ever as good as the Philips hub. Maybe it was my dongle, or the extension cable, or a myriad of other variables I never had to consider with the Philips hub. ZHA was much easier to setup, but it was SLOW, requiring 4 full seconds to change a bulb 10 feet away, and that was when it worked. z2m never found all my bulbs, though its setup was so user-unfriendly it’s possible I was doing something wrong. I don’t think I ever got either system fully set up how I wanted it to be, and I just gave up after hours and hours of frustration. Because my wife expects this stuff to “just work,” I reluctantly went back to the Hue hub and… I had everything reconnected and restored in under an hour. And then, I laughed till I cried–setting up the Philips Hub in home assistant took 10 seconds.
There’s probably a better community than this for my frustration–as it’s not with HA but rather the light bulbs–but perhaps this community can tell me what I’m doing wrong. The idea of a fancy dongle to control my light bulbs without giving in to “the man” is still tempting, but it really needs to just work.
The Phillips bridge has worked basically perfectly for a decade, and works entirely locally. So everyone with Philips bulbs just used the bridge apis from home assistant amd the app.
Up until extremely recently, no one had any will or motivation to make home assistant or anything like it work nicely with the bulbs without a hub. Why put the effort in if the bridge already solves all the problems and locally?
Obviously that has changed and I’m sure some people are trying to figure out how to make this all work nicely without a bridge, but it’s going to take time. Maybe a long time. I wouldn’t expect it to work well soon.
I really appreciate this comment. I didn’t have this knowledge or perspective. Thanks for sharing. I’ll be patient.
There’s already a
for HA that covers the use case where your hue bulbs operate entirely through voice assistants.
I’m hoping this sees expansion into a fully fledged replacement for the physical Phillips hub in the future.
This is my opinion on things.
ZHA support for Hue bulbs is good, but there are swiss-cheese holes. For example, you can’t set power-on behavior on the RGB bulbs I have.
I like to set this, as coming on at 80% power by default should (I hope) increase the longevity of a £25 (full price £50!) lamp.
Hopefully, this will inspire a flurry of fix tickets, and people contributing.
As for the bridge, there is a caveat to just leaving it connected to HASS and not using the app: If Signify/Philips ever make a BIG change to the way the interaction works, unless HASS set up two-mode operations with the hub to cover legacy support, people may end up having to update their hub to use the latest version in HASS.