On the first part, do not worry; I understand the perspective. I just meant to show how a degree may not be as relevant as other things with my personal experience.
If you want information regarding Spain, feel free to text me. I’m new in Lemmy and never had private messages, but I guess I should get a notification and figure it out.
We clearly misunderstood each other, I did not mean to say in the majority of jobs you need a degree. I was initially just pointing out there is a significant amount of careers in which a degree is in fact required. We do indeed agree on all points as far as I can see.
Now, regarding this supposed privatisation of job opportunities. I am very much aware of the problems with student debt in the US. It is something extremely sad. What is unclear to me is why would this be a privatisation?
I’d rather imagine this leads to further division in social classes i.e. rich people who can afford degrees can access more “palatable” jobs. But I say this without really knowing much of how jobs work now in the US.
I’d imagine this would lead to only a small percentage of the US population having a degree, but as far as I can see over 50% of US population has one. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment)
As such I can imagine in the US as well the degree would be treated as something cheap and common.
I’d imagine this would lead to many jobs in many sectors favouring people with a degree over people who do not have one. As such I can imagine that paying for education in the US could probably lead to better job opportunities. This would be regardless the fact that a degree is required for a certain job or not. It is unclear to me whether people who had to take debt for a degree and get an unspecialised job are able to pay back the debt.
Now, it is a bit sad to talk about degrees and education only under the aspect of job seeking. A degree is a wonderful way to learn things and improve ones thinking skills. Free education is amazing because of this: we all benefit from everyone around being more informed and able to improve things. Widespread education does significantly improve the lives of everyone in a country, regardless of the fact that what one studies is actually useful for a job or not.
When you have to pay for education like it is a luxury, education and opportunities become commodities accessible mostly to the wealthy, which is a form of privatization. If you want onboard, you have to sign your life away in a loan. If you get one.
Since a job is locked behind a degree, bam, you got privatization by gating. It’s technically not the job opportunities themselves being privatized, but the effect is pretty similar.
I absolutely agree on the part that a degree is wonderful in every regard. I would like to study mathematics one day, not because I want to work in that field necessarily, but because I adore the field. It’s like my mind is made for it. Not in an arrogant genius way, more like in an endorphin way. As a kid I always closed my eyes and recreated my environment with basic shapes, using them sort of like voxels, not because of some compulsion, but because it was fun.
But I don’t plan on stopping there. For me, I don’t see why I couldn’t just keep studying till the end of my days. I am sadly not healthy enough for that right now though. Hopefully I get well enough to follow that dream. Everything else is already in place.
I think one thing that often does not get said out loud is that you don’t just learn what is on the agenda, but you also learn to socialize. Like you become a tolerable and tolerating person through such processes and I think it should be talked about way more on the front of being informed from education.
On the first part, do not worry; I understand the perspective. I just meant to show how a degree may not be as relevant as other things with my personal experience.
If you want information regarding Spain, feel free to text me. I’m new in Lemmy and never had private messages, but I guess I should get a notification and figure it out.
We clearly misunderstood each other, I did not mean to say in the majority of jobs you need a degree. I was initially just pointing out there is a significant amount of careers in which a degree is in fact required. We do indeed agree on all points as far as I can see.
Now, regarding this supposed privatisation of job opportunities. I am very much aware of the problems with student debt in the US. It is something extremely sad. What is unclear to me is why would this be a privatisation?
I’d rather imagine this leads to further division in social classes i.e. rich people who can afford degrees can access more “palatable” jobs. But I say this without really knowing much of how jobs work now in the US. I’d imagine this would lead to only a small percentage of the US population having a degree, but as far as I can see over 50% of US population has one. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment)
As such I can imagine in the US as well the degree would be treated as something cheap and common. I’d imagine this would lead to many jobs in many sectors favouring people with a degree over people who do not have one. As such I can imagine that paying for education in the US could probably lead to better job opportunities. This would be regardless the fact that a degree is required for a certain job or not. It is unclear to me whether people who had to take debt for a degree and get an unspecialised job are able to pay back the debt.
Now, it is a bit sad to talk about degrees and education only under the aspect of job seeking. A degree is a wonderful way to learn things and improve ones thinking skills. Free education is amazing because of this: we all benefit from everyone around being more informed and able to improve things. Widespread education does significantly improve the lives of everyone in a country, regardless of the fact that what one studies is actually useful for a job or not.
When you have to pay for education like it is a luxury, education and opportunities become commodities accessible mostly to the wealthy, which is a form of privatization. If you want onboard, you have to sign your life away in a loan. If you get one.
Since a job is locked behind a degree, bam, you got privatization by gating. It’s technically not the job opportunities themselves being privatized, but the effect is pretty similar.
I absolutely agree on the part that a degree is wonderful in every regard. I would like to study mathematics one day, not because I want to work in that field necessarily, but because I adore the field. It’s like my mind is made for it. Not in an arrogant genius way, more like in an endorphin way. As a kid I always closed my eyes and recreated my environment with basic shapes, using them sort of like voxels, not because of some compulsion, but because it was fun.
But I don’t plan on stopping there. For me, I don’t see why I couldn’t just keep studying till the end of my days. I am sadly not healthy enough for that right now though. Hopefully I get well enough to follow that dream. Everything else is already in place.
I think one thing that often does not get said out loud is that you don’t just learn what is on the agenda, but you also learn to socialize. Like you become a tolerable and tolerating person through such processes and I think it should be talked about way more on the front of being informed from education.