Lol this person is obsessed with bringing up this point.

“Shit, the meat industry is all types of fucked up. Maybe we should cut down.”

“Have you ever been on a plane though? If so, everything you just said cancels out. All your points are moot. All your effort is for nothing. I am very intelligent.”

Sorry, how? By encouraging people to not care and saying that eventually a hero politician in a small country will be the change they wish to see in the world?

Trust me, I get it more than you. I try to live with principles instead of just thinking whether “it’ll matter” and being a coward because billionaires ride jets and rich people take cruises.

You’re “just laughing” and thinking you’re above me, explaining to me your idiocy as if I don’t see how pathetic you actually are.

Because eating meat 5x a day at artificially low prices is the wrong thing to do and is a reflection of a poor culture

God what an insufferable person and shit communicator

Your edit makes me wish I could downvote this again. Your flawed logic can be used to excuse a number of ridiculous and fucked up shit. “Folks just don’t get it.” Fuck off with that bullshit.

It’s not apathy it’s pragmatism? But then you rant about how nothing matters.

Better to spend time and energy elsewhere? So you spend time and energy convincing others to be as apathetic and weak as you. So weak you needed to desperately justify your apathy to yourself and to others by editing your comment.

Don’t wanna eat less meat? Go for it dawg. Eat it up. Don’t give a fuck about deforestation? The fucked up conditions animals are raised in? The pollution and everything that comes with it? Just because cruises are wasteful? You do you, big dawg.

But to tell everyone else to not give a fuck either is just some absurd fucked up apathetic shit. It’s not pragmatic. It’s so obvious you lie to yourself. The audacity to say “folks just don’t get it.”

Seriously. Some people here are so happy they’ve found the “perfect” justification for their apathy and inaction.

I didn’t realize flying was destroying ocean ecosystems by overfishing and deforesting the Amazon.

All of this can be bad. All of it can be called out. You don’t have to cancel one with the other. You don’t have to call people who point at the meat problem “shills.”

I honestly don’t know what your message is. Rich people shouldn’t fly but they can eat meat? Neither? Poor people should eat meat but not fly? Both? Neither? Middle class people?

Plenty of not poor people eat too much meat

It wouldn’t be nothing and you know that. If you simplify the meat problem to just emissions, sure, it might look small in comparison to cruises, etc. But if you look at it as the multifaceted problem it really is, then reducing consumption will have several effects. Especially, as you exaggerated, if you forced everyone you know to do the same.

The last thing we need is people advocating for these “fuck it” attitudes. Should we really excuse better choices and better directions of behavior and culture just because there’s a “small” effect? I feel like this line of logic can be used to excuse some pretty dark shit.

I think it’s pretty clear you said individuals shouldn’t feel responsible for any of this

Whatever helps you sleep at night lol

People will look at an image like this, read that 80% of deforestation in the Amazon happens for cattle, and go “I’m powerless, Exxon is bad” and continue to not only eat meat 5x a day but also actively try to convince other people that reducing their meat consumption is silly and they might as well keep eating it as much as they want because grocery stores will stock it anyway and Elon Musk rides a jet.

Yep, it’s definitely nobody’s fault people eat so much meat that the Amazon is deforested primarily for cattle and for soy (which is for cattle). Nobody feel bad or take responsibility because Exxon is greedy. Lmao gottem.

No politician is ever gonna run on a “no meat” platform lol.

Plus it’s not just a supermarket. It’s all the little mediocre burger shops that prop up around it and other restaurants like it.

Take some responsibility. Do what’s right even if it won’t work globally.

If you think something is wrong and is fucking up the planet don’t just throw your hands up and go “meh it’s gonna be at the grocery store anyway might as well eat meat 5x a day hehe yum, guilt free.”

Emissions are just a piece of it. There’s land use, consequences of this land use, etc, which involve changes in rain patterns, soil acidification, and so forth.

You’re saying a study cited 6000+ times is so bad but you can’t produce a single well cited article that critiques it yet it is so obviously bad that anyone – without a degree in environmental science or statistics – can easily go throw the cited LCA studies and go “fuck this shit stinks”? Give me a fuckin break.

I thought you were the one advocating for better methods? Pretty lazy advocate lol. I’m just challenging you and … nothing.

Surely within the 6000+ articles that cite it there must be a great study going to town on Poore and Nemecek, then.