Brother, this is basic violence begets violence response. I ain’t over here clapping and cheering as Hamas executes Israelies. I am mourning. But I also recognize that Hamas is a monster of Israel’s creation and it will not go away without either recognizing that and making actual change to the lives of palastinians and giving them their land back and self determination.

Or genocide the palastinians.

Those are the two options. Hamas wasn’t the first form of palastinian resistance and it won’t be the last. That’s basic. So if we wanna sit here and talk “psycho response”, I suggest you consider why your on team genocide.

And that Hamas soldiers father/wife/children/brother/sister would still be alive if Israel didn’t kill them. Kinda tit for tat? Honestly, Hamas taking hostages is the humane thing. Israel doesn’t take hostages. They just kill.

Idk man, if you have hostages taken and your response is full all out assault, your basically signaling you don’t actually care about those hostages. You are practically putting the hostage takers in the position where execution is the only option. Cause that’s the threat when you take hostages. This is pretty simple. So don’t get all “Hamas killed the hostages” when Israel did nothing to save them. Might as well pulled the trigger themselves.

Why? It’s not like it’s unprecedented. It would be stranger if they didn’t. Pretty basic evil intelligence shit bruv.

I’m gonna go ahead and say you are not a member of any group targeted by the Holocaust then.

You view those as similar in extremism to Nazis? That’s a self report right there.

If only world shaking events weren’t always the same mistakes as before. Then we wouldn’t be able to use the same jokes.

Interesting that. A person, especially a violent one cannot hide their nature for too long. I hope you receive the kind of justice you believe in some day.

I claim your land. Now get into the basement.

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Man, you should really look up how native attacks on settlers went if you think they were somehow tame in comparison. Interesting that, you never spent time to focus on the crimes and atrocities committed by the natives to the extent that you don’t even know how brutal it was. Interesting that. Thanks for proving my point on that front.

“At some point they have to accept that” Why? That’s some might makes right moral philosophy right there. Just completely dropped a facade of morality and just went with “Israel has a monopoly on violence, thus palastinians deserve to lose”

Equal rights my ass, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

Funnily enough, this is also similar to the American and native American relationship. Legally natives became “citizens” in 1928 and thus had access to “equal rights” but didn’t actually fully get the right to vote till 1948, and that was only when they legally got it.

All this to say, you know what’s better than giving natives rights to vote in the nation we stole from them? Giving it back. Oh it’d be hard and economically devastating? Should of thought about that before stealing the fucking land. Hell to pay and we still make the natives pay for it.

Antisemitic blood libel lol. Now your just spitting insults. Israel don’t like being compared to Hitler and his crimes? Maybe don’t repeat them. Never Again meant Never again. Ever. To anyone. Notice how I’m not saying “the Jews” in relation to the state of Israel? Because Israel isn’t a monolith of jewdom. It ain’t the culture, it ain’t the religion, it ain’t the race. It doesn’t own that identity no matter how much they want to cover themselves in it. It’s a state, one which has made these same crimes regardless who’s in charge.

Oh you view the settlements in the West Bank as bad? Remember it’s been happening like that for 80 mother fucking years. State sponsored and all. Pushing palastinians further and further. To the frontiers. Killing those who resist and you wonder why palastinians would fight back as brutally as they have. Because when an Israeli settler stops your palastinian car for driving on his isreal road (which he could tell cause the state mandates distinct license plates for palastinians) do you really think the Israeli state in any form will take the side of the palastinians?

Brother, if I roll up to your house. Beat the shit out of you, lock you in the basement and then say “okay. Now that your in the basement we should stop fighting” are you going to be cool with that?

It’s not peace when you run apartheid on palastinians in your country and constantly colonize and push out palastinians not in your country.

I want you to think about a similar situation. United states and Native Americans. Do you think America was in the right to go into native villages and burn and slaughter them because some of the natives would terror attack American colonists? Do you sympathize with the natives who went and terrorized American colonists who were stealing their land?

It’s pretty universally accepted at this point that America committed genocide against the native Americans and the Israeli treatment of palastinians is historically very similar in both motive, methods and excuses.

You focus so hard on what the side with no power, no authority does when backed into a corner and ignore the slaughter that they have withstood for 80 fucking years.

What is it to you that makes you so unwilling to have sympathy? Skin color? Language? Religion? Because you were born in a country that geo politically backs one side so that’s your team now?

If I took this sitch, removed all the names you knew and just told the story of 2 groups of indistinct humans, I guarantee you wouldn’t be picking the side of isreal. No moral person could.

What’s even more interesting is that unless your an Israeli trying to defend your states genocide to feel less bad about the blood you stand on, you ain’t even getting anything out of it. At least the genocidal colonists who push the frontier and steal palastinians homes get a home out of it. What do you get? You get to be the stain of a history book. The question high schoolers ask 200 years from now “why did anyone support Hitler killing all the Jewish folk isreal killing all the palastinians?” And the history teacher will have to answer “because no one is immune from propaganda”

Palastinians spent 80 years getting slaughtered. I’d prefer if no one was getting slaughtered instead of my preferred racial group you fucking monster.

Equating what I’m saying to a call for the genocide machine to turn in reverse rather than stopping it all together is a self report brother. You cannot imagine peace. You just see this as a fight to extinction. You support the genocide.

Here’s a fun history fact. One time we almost had peace. Palastinians agreed to it. Israel agreed to it. Things were looking up.

And then genocidal Israeli terrorists assassinated their own prime minister to continue the oppression.

Funny that.

Funny, I thought that was Israel’s logic for being there in the first place. Funny to see it turned around and used the other way. Ideologically inconsistent aren’t ya?

Let’s skip the tit for tat and jump straight to the end of this chain of violence begetting violence eh? Israel establishes a colony and begins the violent displacement of local native palastinians. There, we did it. If your “well he did it first” form of moral judgement holds true then we should see a fun shift in attitude’s.

But it never was about that really?

That’s the fun part. To be right wing with the amount of information and data we have is to reject reality altogether for the one you want, not the one you have. It’s not really the fault of the fact checker that right wing has become “insane person”. That’s good ol humanity and right wing becoming an outdated idea no longer worth having.

I see you subscribe to the moral theory of “I didn’t click okay, I hit escape”.

They didn’t break any laws, they broke trust. Random people can leak all they want, they don’t have institutional standing and respect. If what you said was true then it’d be pretty weird that every other institutional news, even gaming focused ones, have honored that request. Because doing otherwise is a dick move that kills your reputation, and the gaming industry is legendary for blacklisting for far less disrespectful moves. Downright petty with it.

The Verge isn’t pulling the article and they are currently backing their journo. The whole site is blacklisted at this point.

Except this is a game industry reputation ruined. It isn’t just valve, why would any dev ever give the verge access again knowing that they will not only disrespect your requests but bitch and moan if you hold them to it.

It’s a full rep killer. They will never have early access again for any company.