my issue is with the methodology. if you read the references in the poore-nemecek paper for the LCA data, they explicitly state LCA data should not be combined, since it is gathered using disparate methodologies. those studies themselves do combine LCA studies, but poore-nemecek goes on to combine multiple meta studies, and never even acknowledge the problems with this methodology.

that relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which is problematic. you might be right but your link isn’t good evidence.

it would be easy enough to clear up this ambiguity, by choosing a clearer word. they have chosen not to do so. the more expansive definition is the simplest one. but believe whatever you want

the definition from the vegan society makes no mention of consent, only exploitation. the barest definition of exploitation is “use”. wherever you heard breast milk is vegan, it’s not consistent with the vegan society definition.

The reason against the veganism of honey is

it’s an animal product

no

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of … animals …

a forest can be exploited or a water source can be exploited. the definition of exploitation is not dependent on harm, nor sentience, nor consent. veganism seeks to end all animal exploitation.

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

then I’ll anecdotally let you know you’re wrong

can you link that?

just saying it isn’t very convincing.

Are animal products vegan

no

Most people agree

got any studies to support this?

found an old unused laptop in my office the week i got the job. that week, i nuked it and installed deb12. i’ve since installed an inventory server in a virtual machine, and i’m afraid to break everything so i guess it’s gonna run deb12 for the forseeable future.

it’s not the exact same comment, it’s another study that poore-nemecek cites.

I used deltachat and sent an auto crypt setup message, and k-9 handed it off to open keychain just fine. k9 is being merged with Thunderbird Mobile so this should work fine… for mobile. but man was it a hassle getting the keys to my desktop

shun and exile. let him roam the earth seeking shelter and food.

open keychain - foss to to track pgp keys and generate them

I wasn’t looking for a conversation either. I’m just stating relevant facts

most calves are brought to full weight before slaughter, and artificial insemination is safer than being mounted by a bull