You guys review?

I think we made some progress in my point, so I just want to try to drive it home. The original argument was “Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.”

The reason I am trying to say that “Skyrim is influential on modern RPGs” is to disagree with the blight comment. I believe there are many ways that modern RPGs benefit from Skyrim’s contribution to the genre.

If Skyrim were truly a blight, we’d have more like the new Assassins Creed where it’s a massive world with little content to discover. To me, the problem with that argument though is that Skyrim and Assassin’s Creed are still pretty fun without the narrative content.

I didn’t even play Skyrim until 2020. I think it’s like a B-. You have no idea where I’m coming from opinion wise. I didn’t say an opinion. I’m saying that BG3 was influenced by Skyrim. That’s all I’ve tried to say this whole time.

This is legitimately not an opinion that I’ve tried to convey. It’s insane to me that you think the impact is 0.00000%. It’s not a coherent thought. It’s like saying my uncle didn’t have any impact on me because my dad is older than he is.

I’m not arguing an opinion. I am not mad at this or debating a position. I’m stating a fact and am being told it’s not a fact. I’m shocked that you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. If you think I’m arguing, then you must not understand what I’m trying to say.

If you are upset by what I’m saying, then I am genuinely concerned. I don’t know what part of what I’m saying can be so wrong that you feel the best to argue. This is surreal to me. Can you acknowledge what I’m trying to say?

My entire statement is “Skyrim had a non-zero impact on Baldur’s Gate 3”. Do you understand that is what I’m saying?

Not one instance then? Huh. I guess you aren’t right.

So you can’t name one. Got it. Lol

I’ll bite. Show me the Old Testament RPG where a dead mother figure is standing in a coffin in an assassin cult, and I’ll concede. Here’s your chance.

I thought you said the only thing that influenced BG3 was BG1 and BG2. Now I have to read books?

Those are things in both games, numb nuts.

Or what about the mother figure in the dark cult of assassins?

You admitted that you don’t have a point. Lol. I’m going to go play a rogue/fighter/wizard and fight dragons and have my choices impact the outcome and be a dragonborn and have mods.

Why is BG3 not BioWare if it evolved on its own merits? You don’t even have a point you’re trying to make. You just want to tell me that I’m wrong. In order for me to be wrong, one of the most influential games ever would have to have zero influence on the development, funding, or reception of Baldur’s Gate 3. You don’t have any argument because I literally can’t be wrong about it.

• If Larian tried to make a game that wasn’t Skyrim, it’s still a positive impact that Skyrim had.
• If Larian wanted to make one of the best RPGs, then they’d have to make it better than Skyrim. Net impact, good.
• If Larian wanted to make a business case for why they deserved $100M to develop, then they pointed to the success that Skyrim had as validation.

If you think that no one in the 6 years of development compared the game to Skyrim in any way whatsoever or any game inspired by Skyrim, then you have an opinion so dumb that it’s not worth talking to you.

Skyrim is a triple A RPG. I haven’t made one change to my argument. My argument is not even my argument. It’s the “Standing on the shoulders of giants” metaphor. If you like what you see today, then you have to give credit to the works that impacted the current environment.

You named two games that are entirely different. Those two made their money on multiplayer. Skyrim is a single player RPG experience that encourages mods. Skyrim’s success as a single player experience enabled games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 and Divinity OS2 to get the funding they needed to become fully realized.

In the form it is today? No. You don’t get $100M to develop the game if you don’t have previous titles selling 60M copies.

My point was that Skyrim didn’t ruin RPGs because there still exists demand for RPGs and quality content. Without seminal games like Skyrim, you don’t get proper investment in games like BG3.

Did RPG game developers play an RPG before developing an RPG? Yes. That’s how influences work. I didn’t play BG1 or BG2 because I was a child.

I can’t think of many games that do that. I can’t really think of anyone that tries to be like Bethesda games in the bad ways.

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Are you saying none of the developers played Skyrim? Even if you’re designing to not be Skyrim, you’re still influenced by it.

No. Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Baldur’s Gate 3 all draw influence from Skyrim. I think open world games are better because of Skyrim.

Howso?