Thank you for taking the time to clarify all that.

Tilt is really critical for a good drawing and especially painting experience.

Now I’m confused again… the specific Lenovo pen you got supported tilt? You mentioned mmp 2.0 was coming, or something to that effect, that was the next version I was referring to.

Cool. I wasn’t aware that tilt was coming in the next version :-)

Oh I didn’t think there’s anything wrong with it, I love oh-my-zsh. But it did feel like a bit of a cannery in the coal mine scenario when they elevated it the default and said they would phase out bash because of the GPL license.

I’m pretty sure that just free is harder to tax. Remember having to stop and explain what unix was? :-)

You should probably help out the OP by mentioning a few by name ;-)

No idea… stopped listening after I was adminished for my “god damnit…” ;-)

In my limited experience Wacom pens don’t work with anything but Wacom tablets… I don’t own one of the “new” fancy ones with a screen, but capacitive (most new touch screens) don’t seem to detect the Wacom pen. There are pens out there that are supposed to work with any capacitive screen, but I don’t think they provide the force/angle information that the Wacom pen does.

Yeah, gotta’ love how all the Apple fanboys were like Bash? Meh’ zsh is the superior shell in the span of a day.

I mean was the GPL viral… yeah probably. But it’s not like the courts came after either of them. Or ever really will in a meaningful way. Although hope springs eternal for non-webkit browsers in the not-EU 😌

Pretty sure I read that paper a few years back ;-)

I love it, totally should have gone with that.

“This is Linus Torvalds introducing minix as Linux.”

Yeah… but it was just RMS yelling at people from a street corner, nobody actually used it until Linux came along ;-)

I had a teacher that screamed at me for “taking the lords name in vain…” They’re definitely wrong from time-to-time ;-)

Checking in from Avelon 😉

Non linear evolution at it’s finest ;-)

It’s a lot harder to keep track of than it used to be but (holy crap) we won… mostly.

Oh it sounds like you understand it correctly :-)

Thank you for taking the time to type this all up, you have expertly summarized the situation and I’m very grateful. Even with focused research it can be very hard to gain an objective understanding of complex subjects these days… doubly so when polaring topics like how to do desktop linux right are involved.

I suppose it would be foolish of the Wayland devs to wade into the middle of those waters if they want their work to remain beneficial to all. And suddenly the abstract technical details in the linked article make more sense to me… they really want to remain abstract from some of the implementation details.

This does seem a bit grim… and it perfectly explains why my problems could be fixed and one distro/wm and not another while still somehow being a “waylaid issue.” I suppose the best solutions/implementations will probably at least end up being shared in principle… I don’t really know enough about the current state of either desktop to be sure, I just wanted to say something positive :-)

That was my take on it too. The vague sense that you’re just going to end up with nothing but circle-jerks if you implement all these suggestions. I could also just be whooshing an attempt a levity, something obvious to a seasoned community moderator.

Hopefully my shitty attempts at socratic method rate a bit better then trolling, but I often doubt it :-)

People who downvote more than upvote tend to be the ones who get in fights a lot and say snarky, inflammatory and negative things.

Summed up my whole sense of humor in half a throwaway sentence ;-)

Seriously though, interesting read, thank you kux… you can really feel the author’s frustration and yet I can’t help but feel that they are interested in a certain kind of idealistic online community. Reddit but with a really restrictive HOA where everyone has the exact same color mailbox.

With the headline, yeah… kinda :-) Your answer plus a bit of “this is why it’s important.” And I would have grunted and gone back under my bridge…

I’m feeling a bit sheepish about my comment on the other side of the day.

But I was also hoping for a lot more. Better desktop security… and that’s underselling it because my understanding is we’re pretty much coming from zero, so this was always going to be rough.

I have yet to run into an insurmountable issue, but I’ve just hopped distros rather than (successful) troubleshooting. Always makes me grumpy ;-)

Because it’s so complicated that given a page (page and a half) to answer the simple question, “Why does Wayland support still give you more problems than solutions?” We had to describe it like the summary of a PHD theses in client server architecture?

Come on with that load of hot trash 😭