Reminder that it is Israeli right wingers themselves that have opened that door by saying that Hamas are worse than Nazis and comparing the October 7th attacks to the Holocaust.

Whoever told you Israel is a democracy lied to you. Israel is a democracy the way Apartheid South Africa was a democracy.

Good point, the IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance

By the way, do apply the same logic to the Hamas fighters.

I edited my comment since I made it. Here is the newer version. Bold the bit that I think adresses your concern.

Edit: why is “death to the IDF” mild compared to “death to Arabs”? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. Basically, there are many off ramps out of the IDF. There are no ramps off of existing as an Arab.

Exactly. That’s what many people don’t realize. Hamas atrocities are themselves a product of Israeli Jewish-supremacist occupation apartheid. There are multiple instances in history where occupation and subjugation has brutalized a population to the point of themselves becoming butchers when given the chance. From Boudicca, to King Phillip’s War, to the late excesses of the Haitian Revolution, to Nat Turner’s rebellion, to the early days of the Greek Revolution, and even Terror periods of the French and Russian Revolutions. These excesses and atrocities are not to be glorified, but they must be understood as really sad outcomes of the pre-existing brutal regime. It’s always chickens coming home to roost, and in fact it’s usually a wonder that the atrocities are not worse.

Hamas committed horrible atrocities on October 7th. Was anyone really surprised they did so however? These were an outcome of decades of brutal occupation.

Hell, I’ll even say something very controversial: Israeli atrocities themselves are the outcome of the extraordinary brutalization of Jews in the decades preceding the founding of Israel. Hitler is laughing in hell. This is his intergenerational evil at work, 80 years after he bit his luger.

“Death to the IDF” is not what I would chant, but it’s honestly mild compared to the kinds of slogans (eg. “Death to Arabs” and “Let your village burn”) West-funded, West-supported, West-armed, and West-protected-from-accountability Israeli fanatics chant before committing actual fucking atrocities. Hell, it’s mild compared to the Amalek rhetoric of Israeli state leadership.

Edit: why is “death to the IDF” mild compared to “death to Arabs”? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. Basically, there are many off ramps out of the IDF. There are no ramps off of existing as an Arab.

What’s that flag?

Well clearly you have me all figured out, motives and all.

My original argument is specific: the way the European powers have aligned themselves with Israeli craziness does not inspire confidence that the Democrats would have been less hawkish. Underlying assumption: the Democrats tend to be as dovish as the Europeans.

The previous commenter made a counterfactual claim that Harris would not have pulled out of JCPOA and I pointed out that a Harris admin wouldn’t have a JCPOA to pull out of.

You’re now spinning a narrative around these very simple things I’ve said. Did the tankies hurt you and now you see them everywhere?

Trump killed off the JCPOA in 2018. Biden had four years after 2020 to do something about that and didn’t. So I don’t know what you’re basing your assertion on, it sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

But Germany’s Staatsräson says you have to do whatever Israel wants.

Given how Germany, France, the UK etc have all lined up behind Israel, towing the line that Israel has a right to defend itself, and even going as far as saying that Israel is doing our dirty work for us, I have very serious doubts that Harris would not have followed Israel down the warpath.

Skyrim something about Vici.

Frankly, I have way more often ended up scratching my head for some cryptic piece of syntax than the opposite. Sure I could sit down and spend the rest of my life learning each language designer’s favourite syntax optimisations, but I kinda don’t want to. I’m a human, not a parser.

And frankly, a good IDE editor should be able to fold/unfold verbose syntax. Better for it then to be there and folded, than for it to not be there and for someone to have to work backwards the intendrd meaning of every single line of code.

I don’t understand why verbose is bad. Verbose is maintainable.

This is what happens when you make your Staatsräson “never again to those people in particular” as opposed to “never again to anyone ever”, then spend two years pretending that anti-Semitism is an imported problem, and end up saying that an illegal war by a genocidal apartheid state is your own dirty business.

I don’t know what “the tiktok crowd” is, but I suspect you’re talking about the woke left somehow. So let me respond to what I think you’re saying, and if I’m misunderstanding, just correct me. Nobody in the woke left is thinking that “the Jews are doing a genocide against Muslims”. The accusation is that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians. Israel and Jewish people: not the same thing. Muslims and Palestinians: not the same thing.

I think that’s exactly the reference here.

Iran for sure does have sectarian tensions under the surface. There are Kurds, Azeris, Arabs, Balochs etc. Shias, Sunnis, secularists, workers, capitalists, etc etc. There are all the ingredients for a big big chaos.

I suspect this is even worse. If these idiots succeed at forcing an externally imposed regime change, Iran (a country of 90 million people) might go the way of Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, i.e., total fucking chaos for at least a decade if not more. If you thought Daesh and the refugee crisis was bad, just you fucking wait.

And this all happened while the Iranians were supposedly negotiating with the US. Why should anyone ever negotiate with the West ever again if it is just a stalling tactic until you get stabbed in the back? So not only is this a collapse of international law, it is even collapse of the basic capacity for international diplomacy. And it does send a hugely hugely strong message to the Saudis, the Turks, the Emiratis, basically anyone and everyone: get nukes asap, see what happened to Iran?.

Not to mention that the Israelis are causing US imperial over-extension, when the US fascist right (Bannon, MTG, etc) are already distancing themselves from zionists. So who do you think the fascists will blame for US decline once immigrants and democrats are no longer adequate scapegoats? Who is always the scapegoat of last resort for the fascists?

The 20th century was monstrous. Well, fellow monkeys, welcome to the 21st…