In a joint statement following talks, Xi Jinping and Putin stated that the war in Ukraine could only be resolved by removing its “root causes”.

Such formulation clearly echoes key Russian propaganda messages used by the Kremlin to justify the launch of the full-scale war, including the threat of NATO expansion, discrimination against Russian-speaking people and the suppression of the Russian language, culture and media in Ukraine.

  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
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    Anyone here understands geopolitics and the cornering of Russia by NATO (read: the US plus European vassals) or are you just talking out of vibes? Anyone here remembers the 2011 US coup on Ukraine and what it led to? It’s a bit more complex than what the commenters here believe, lol.

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      Just because a country does not side with russia, it is a US vassal. These US “vassal” are refusing to import chlorinated chicken from US. what kind of vassal refuse trade with their “master”.

      You left out russian invasion, coups, separatists, and terrorism inside Ukraine, Donbas.

      Instead of filling your head with propaganda, take a look at the map and russia borders and coasts. Measure the length of the russia border. Now measure the length of the Nato border with russia before the Ukraine war. No way was russia cornered.

      The most peaceful non-allied borders of russia with the least number of border troops are along NATO borders.

      Reasons like NATO and various other reasons are just excuses made for different sheeps/audience. NATO expanded even more due to russia invasion. Nato was not the reason unless it prevents russia from expanding territories by invading others. Ukraine said they won’t apply to NATO, russia invaded anyway. It was not about NATO, russia is not afraid of getting invaded NATO due to MAD, and also that is not the purpose of NATO. It is a defensive alliance.

      Why expand territories? The main thing russia achieved so far is to get the warm water ports in crimea. IMO, Russia just wanted the warm water ports in Ukraine’s Crimea and the main water supply to crimea, which is in Ukraine’s Donbas, and to eventually link up to Tranistria It is just simple expansionism for more territories. Empire building. Putin already admitted it during the interview with Carlson.

      It is not complicated. Complexity was created because different sheeps needed different reasons to support russia, reasons like NATO or biolabs for some, Nazis or LGBTQ and etc, for others. Exactly the same as US using WMDs fear to invade Iraq.

      Russia has zero security issue since they have most nukes in the world. They also have most land to shelter from nuclear attack. They are already surrounded by nuclear powers like France, china, nkorea and etc. It is other countries that have genuine security issues with russia, its nukes, and imperial expansionism

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      So what is the standard rusbot argument for Nato expanding through willing submissions from new countries where Russias policy with their neighbors is beating them into submission where possible?

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        Don’t forget, just like NATO, russia is also expanding with pen and paper through CSTO. Russia is doing both, expansion through CSTO and expansion of territories through bombs, guns, and tresspassing.

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      The only coup is coming from Russia, and yes get your facts straight

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        This has to be a joke, they couldn’t even get the year correctly and it’s been drilled into them. Right???

        edit: nvm, likely a puppet, checked the account

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          I got the year wrong BECAUSE it hasn’t been drilled into my head, lol. I just believe it’s more complex than simply “Russia bad”, especially in the face of NATO expansionism. I’m not emotionally attached though, which is why I can actually freely learn about it, unlike others who can’t conceive anything outside of “Russia bad, China bad, West good”…

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            It’s actually that simple. Why complicate things. If you bothered to look at Putin a history, you would know what he had been up to all this time.

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              Fair enough, my bad. And here I thought geopolitics were complex affairs, I should’ve just hated Eurasia and Oceania like daddy told me to.

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                The problem with people like you is that you don’t think, you repeat. You “think” you are the singular “enlightened” among a sea of propaganda-eating idiots, while saying the same shit Russia pushes to try to justify invading a sovereign country.

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                  I’m not immune to propaganda and I make mistakes like everyone else. Again, all I said is that it’s more complex than “America and Western Europe good, Russia and China bad” and people are throwing tantrums…

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                    It’s not more complicated than “Ukraine can decide to do whatever they want to do and Russia has fuckall to do with it”.