• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    So

    Lust is one of those material prisons that is naturally inclined as it gives you good feelings.

    This reads to me like a very heavily christian-biased thing. The christian bible says the original devil in the world took the shape of a snake (representing lust) that led eve to eat the forbidden fruit, and then they were kicked out of paradise.

    What you’re forgetting is that lust is a part of the natural world that was already there before god existed. The christian bible says sth along the lines of “the world was created 6000 years ago” and what it really means is that humanity or the human spirit was created 6000 years ago with the rise of the first civilizations and empires.

    But the natural world did already exist way before that (nature is billions of years old), and lust was a natural and essential part of that. It is not so much that lust is a “mistake of god’s creation” and kinda “sneaked in” or something, rather, god declared lust - which was already present - a sin, and by doing so, they tipped the natural balance of things. Maybe that is a thing to consider. It is not so much that lust is an invader and offender in the world, rather it is the human spirit that tipped the balance and therefore caused a millenia-old war against the serpent. And that has something to do with what you’re saying, even though you’re packing the arguments into very modern language.

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      1 day ago

      I forget nothing, it is natural and that is why I am arguing against overindulgences and not the basic principle. Then again you can only see materiality in the context of god because your inner self is so small.

      I am saying that overindulgence and fixation in lust becomes a prison. Why?

      Look at marketing and media, it becomes a distraction for people and their vested interest. Intentionally meant only to distract and detract, afterwards one can lead you anywhere. Even to stagnate when look at waves at all current fascist developments but if you are so well versed then you know the Christian narrative is deeply against it. We literally get the fascist pig insult from the demon Legion, a commentary on the brainwashing the Legionnaires/Rome as a state pushed unto their citizens via fear and deprivation.

      Only difference is now the person willingly goes to it because they wanna see some fat titties online with no effort, so when they try and fail to get real fat titties - they become angered at the disullusionment and blame the person rather than their own ineptitude. Division is good for those in power.

      Lust is only called an invader or offender in your words. I call the culture that constantly pushes this into media and marketing as detrimental. Along with how easy it becomes for kids who are alone, with 2 working parents who can hardly raise a kid, they will fall into sheol and toss away years because it is immediately rewarding in their brains.

      Let me make the example clear. Sugar is good for you, it is the most easily bio-available form of food for your cell. Protein needs energy to digest and fat is not soluble alone nor immediately usable. So it is a great thing, it even feeds your gut biome!

      Now how can it bdcome bad? Over indulgence. Sugar causes a dopamine hit, kids bored at home regularly snack and eat a lot. If not some countries (you know the one) add sugar to their breads, peanut butter, and almost anything else. Why? Addictive and makes it taste better, it’s why medicines go down easier with a spoon of sugar or however the saying goes. Well, this bombardment of sugar overfloods your dopamine receptors, raising the levels of dopamine they need to actually trigger joyous feelings.

      It is inherently harder to feel happy, not a good thing. Even though sugar is a good thing.

      Sex is fine, lust is fine, it is the overindulgence and ineptitude that is wrong with incel culture. They are gooners who blame others and take no responsibility nor do in moderation. They feel only rage.

      Explaining this made me realize it also feeds into that cycle, as it is a big factor. I would jork my shit until I was shooting dust and aching, but kept going. I was massively overweight and had diabetes, both kinds. I was killing my pancreas and building a resistance to insulin. Why does it feed into it? If you are unhappy, jorking it gives you a fleeting and immediate controlled dose of happiness when you are a depressed sack of shit like I was.

      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        15 hours ago

        ok so your writing is very interesting, and i have to think about it for a bit.

        i can tell you a different perspective, if you mind listening to it:

        sexuality and desire are the juices that make the world go round. in other words, people are attracted to one another and that is why we have a coherent society instead of a bunch of isolated people.

        people want to impress one another (because they’re attracted to one another) and that is why they develop arts and culture. in other words, all art is sublimate sexuality. and knowledge is distilled art, so sexuality is indirectly the driving force for humanity’s progress, i argue.

        This can be clearly observed with AI image generation tools. Free AI tools (with open weights), which is arguably important to have (because otherwise all tools would be corporate-owned, and that’s not so good for the people) were largely developed by people who generated big-titty-girls with it. Sexuality drives human progress :)

        One of your parts in an earlier comment was that people choose 4chan/hypersexualized video games instead of meeting real people, to which i say: let the gooners have their self-chosen prison. it is better for all of us. imagine if they went out into the real world and actually interacted with people, i think they would annoy a lot. it’s better this way :)

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          12 hours ago

          Oh I agree completely, it’s how I got into drawing as a kid. It’s why I am so passionate about this, I do not want the world that I currently know to change. I have my lust in one and my love in the same, life is well and it is decaying far before I became aware. Now I make up for lost time.

          I even wrote a poem for my kids about how intertwined the birds and the bees are with the self. Sex is natural but it can become corrupted. That is why it annoys me for blaming one thing, these people can only get defensive as their ego is larger than their reading comprehension. I blame not sex, I blame the culture.

          I mentioned 4chan because I noticed trends in thread behaviors and topics on /gif/ their porn subreddit from around 2014 to now. The site known for overflowing gay/trans, cuck and blacked threads suddenly has a huge bias towards white male superiority. This was always true in discussions but it massively shifted the titles to being very conformative. I see it as a tool being used to get people emotional. Before 2024 it was genuinely nothing but threads focusing on black male superiority and cuckolding.

          These trends suggest to me a way of creating biases internally. Make someone angry at a certain demographic without really doing anything but changing their porn feeds. Since it’s basically the uncensored tiktok. They gave them an easy ethnic group to blame for the cuck/blacked/lgbt threads, the same rhetoric used in ww2. (Not to say I support any of their current actions in the strip) I can at least admit that it made me have preconceived notions and fear, created a huge distrust issue. This is why I think the fappening and pepe news were more just publicity for the site and then activation respectively. Call someone racist when theyre not and they might give up on trying to not be. People get whittled down and beat, it becomes easier to succumb to bad ideology because it is inherently reductive and simpler.

          Yeah them being gooners is not an issue, but it’s the lack of voting and devolution that becomes an issue. For me I found that porn will eventually bore and you will seek new extremes within it, it’s how the same guys on 4chan constantly share stories about craving dick and then regretting it. Boredom and men are whores usually, easier than actually trying. It is a craving for intimacy misconstrued. (Not saying anything about lgbt folks, just about 4chan degens)

          So as they devolve they can channel their hate and blame. One of the easiest ways is to vote against those they hate, not realizing they vote against themselves too. Vote for their benefit and it is your benefit. However, they can only see what they lack and not what they have to lose. They are the same losers in military cosplay bullying civilians(the waters below freezing), power feeds their lust. Little lapdogs not realizing the kennel they put themselves in. The kennel they will build around every person.

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        15 hours ago

        We literally get the fascist pig insult from the demon Legion, a commentary on the brainwashing the Legionnaires/Rome as a state pushed unto their citizens via fear and deprivation.

        what do you mean by that?

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          13 hours ago

          The demon exorcism story of Jesus and Legion. He drives out the ‘demon’ (which are artisfically rendered as some horrific entity, while just being state of minds/mental instabilities - hence why early christians were called Therapeutae, or therapist) He casts it from the man into the pigs who in a horde rush the waters and drown.

          The name Legion is a way of making commentary about the current political powers oppressing people and forcing this form of self-censorship. How illegal immigrants cannot openly talk about their issues while being just as equal humans, hence needing to strip their rights and fear monger.

          Anyways Legion is a pseudonym for the Legionnaires which were the Roman military fleet and the primary antagonistic actors and the pigs are a mockery of them. How those who trust them are killing themselves. Kinda like those who vote for certain political parties to have oppressive power.

          Jesus can’t save you but the people can save themselves. There’s lots of artistic flare - it’s mesmerizing to decipher.

          Rapture just speaks about a social collapse. The same one in exodus, with the Romans, with Muhammad and so forth. That’s why it is a fine balance of moderation between indulgence and reverence. Swing one way or the other too heavy and a collapse happens.

          The buddhist middle way.

      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        20 hours ago

        it’s an interesting write-up, i gotta study it in more detail later on, but i gotta go now, have something to do today.

        to summarize my response: it’s good that whatever you did helped you, but i suspect that your method of approaching life cannot simply be generalized to other people, i.e. it wouldn’t work that way if other people tried the same thing.

        but i’ll probably write a more elaborate response later :D

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          12 hours ago

          I mean most of this came from my own interests rather than actual scripture. It just clicks in my head because it seems obvious. What doesn’t apply is my assumption that others can understand simplicity, hence why my responses are in depth.

          Fasting is done routinely as a dopamine reset and allows you to realign your interests agnostic of chemical influence. Driven by sheer self. This is in islam, variances of these fasts exists in all religions as you give up indulgences to remember your humanity and not your wants.

          I once heard a therapist say the best way to check if you have a weed problem is to stop for 2 months. If you can or can’t, then you know. It’s true of most things.