If you’ve seen tracer fire in real life, I doubt you would keep that position. The fact that a falling bullet traveling at terminal velocity is enough to kill or injure someone, combined with the fact that bullets travel for miles would instantly tell you otherwise. Watch tracers fired at night and you can see how frequent ricochets are when hitting a mix of rocks in dirt. The last video I shared already demonstrated that complete trajectory reversals are even possible, not that this is even required in this circumstance.
The baseball field is only about 1/2 mile from the range backstop (about 22% of a 5.56 bullet’s maximum range). All it would take is a rock plowed up into an inopportune position on the berm to set off a freak accident. Now, as I’ve said in another comment, I absolutely don’t believe this is the most likely explanation; however, to discount it as an impossibility is ignorant.
The range of a round when fired and the range of a round after it hits a rock and bounces are two incredibly vastly different things. Also nobody’s talking about a bullet falling from the sky. Look at where that range is look at the angle from which they’re firing and look at where the baseball field is. There is no possibility a Ricochet fired at that range could bounce back into that baseball field like they claim. It’s not possible.
I think he made a good case for it being possible. That baseball field really isn’t far away from a bullet’s perspective. He mentioned his first time shooting tracers, which makes me think he has a lot of real life experience shooting FMJ bullets and seeing them ricochet. He posted videos showing ricochets, you can see them maintaining almost all of their momentum.
The issue isn’t the distance, though I think it’s further than you think, it’s angle. You can see where the range is. You can see where the baseball field is. It’s not possible. The JFK bullet couldn’t do this. He made a good case for ricochets being a thing that happens, not in this case.
I’m still not seeing any issue. A bullet can ricochet in any direction. The first thing @AlDente@sh.itjust.works posted was a video example of a bullet ricocheting directly backwards (nearly straight up I think?), then ricocheting again off the ground and into the shooter’s earmuff.
He showed enough examples and hard numbers for distance to convince me that this could be a freak accident. If you want to change my mind, you’re going to have to provide counterexamples. I’m even convinced that it could happen with many bullets in a row if the shooting was consistent.
Counter examples to what? You’re saying that someone shot down that range and it ricocheted directly back into the baseball field? Like what’s the argument here? That’s the problem I’m having you and the other guy, or your alt I’m not sure, haven’t made any arguments about the feasibility of a Ricochet from that range going to that field. Which we know didn’t happen by the way. That’s not even in question. But even the possibility you haven’t given any evidence for. You’re arguing that ricochets can happen. Which is not the argument.
My example is basic geometry and basic physics. Learn how angles work dude I don’t know. Learn that bullets can’t turn 45° in midair. What are you arguing. Trace the line for me. Trace the line from down the range back around the dirt embankments and toward the field.
He said a ricochet was possible and put an argument together with video examples and distance numbers. You haven’t done much except express disbelief, and that isn’t very convincing.
You said a ricochet at the correct angle to land in the baseball field would be impossible, and you asked me to draw the trajectory.
Honest question, why is this so hard to imagine? He posted this video, can you watch it and tell me what you think? https://youtu.be/0ABGIJwiGBc
I think we all know this was probably just redneck shit, no argument there.
You did notice that wasn’t a straight line you just drew right?
Also you’re very obsessed with those videos he posted. I’ve seen them before they’re not new videos. I’ve shot a 50 caliber before. I’ve had ricochets bounce back at me before. I’m not quite sure why he chose a 50 caliber for his example by the way it’s an absurd example to use. The reason I don’t talk about them much is because they’re irrelevant. No one’s arguing that ricochet’s don’t occur. Third time I’ve had to say that.
There is no amount of Ricochet on this Earth that would result in this.
If you’ve seen tracer fire in real life, I doubt you would keep that position. The fact that a falling bullet traveling at terminal velocity is enough to kill or injure someone, combined with the fact that bullets travel for miles would instantly tell you otherwise. Watch tracers fired at night and you can see how frequent ricochets are when hitting a mix of rocks in dirt. The last video I shared already demonstrated that complete trajectory reversals are even possible, not that this is even required in this circumstance.
The baseball field is only about 1/2 mile from the range backstop (about 22% of a 5.56 bullet’s maximum range). All it would take is a rock plowed up into an inopportune position on the berm to set off a freak accident. Now, as I’ve said in another comment, I absolutely don’t believe this is the most likely explanation; however, to discount it as an impossibility is ignorant.
The range of a round when fired and the range of a round after it hits a rock and bounces are two incredibly vastly different things. Also nobody’s talking about a bullet falling from the sky. Look at where that range is look at the angle from which they’re firing and look at where the baseball field is. There is no possibility a Ricochet fired at that range could bounce back into that baseball field like they claim. It’s not possible.
I think he made a good case for it being possible. That baseball field really isn’t far away from a bullet’s perspective. He mentioned his first time shooting tracers, which makes me think he has a lot of real life experience shooting FMJ bullets and seeing them ricochet. He posted videos showing ricochets, you can see them maintaining almost all of their momentum.
The issue isn’t the distance, though I think it’s further than you think, it’s angle. You can see where the range is. You can see where the baseball field is. It’s not possible. The JFK bullet couldn’t do this. He made a good case for ricochets being a thing that happens, not in this case.
I’m still not seeing any issue. A bullet can ricochet in any direction. The first thing @AlDente@sh.itjust.works posted was a video example of a bullet ricocheting directly backwards (nearly straight up I think?), then ricocheting again off the ground and into the shooter’s earmuff.
He showed enough examples and hard numbers for distance to convince me that this could be a freak accident. If you want to change my mind, you’re going to have to provide counterexamples. I’m even convinced that it could happen with many bullets in a row if the shooting was consistent.
Counter examples to what? You’re saying that someone shot down that range and it ricocheted directly back into the baseball field? Like what’s the argument here? That’s the problem I’m having you and the other guy, or your alt I’m not sure, haven’t made any arguments about the feasibility of a Ricochet from that range going to that field. Which we know didn’t happen by the way. That’s not even in question. But even the possibility you haven’t given any evidence for. You’re arguing that ricochets can happen. Which is not the argument.
My example is basic geometry and basic physics. Learn how angles work dude I don’t know. Learn that bullets can’t turn 45° in midair. What are you arguing. Trace the line for me. Trace the line from down the range back around the dirt embankments and toward the field.
He said a ricochet was possible and put an argument together with video examples and distance numbers. You haven’t done much except express disbelief, and that isn’t very convincing.
You said a ricochet at the correct angle to land in the baseball field would be impossible, and you asked me to draw the trajectory.
Honest question, why is this so hard to imagine? He posted this video, can you watch it and tell me what you think? https://youtu.be/0ABGIJwiGBc
I think we all know this was probably just redneck shit, no argument there.
You did notice that wasn’t a straight line you just drew right?
Also you’re very obsessed with those videos he posted. I’ve seen them before they’re not new videos. I’ve shot a 50 caliber before. I’ve had ricochets bounce back at me before. I’m not quite sure why he chose a 50 caliber for his example by the way it’s an absurd example to use. The reason I don’t talk about them much is because they’re irrelevant. No one’s arguing that ricochet’s don’t occur. Third time I’ve had to say that.