Check this out: https://nooki.me/
Looks like someone’s built a Reddit-like on top of ATProto. Would be really interesting to see whether it could interact with the threadiverse through something like BridgyFed, which currently only works with microblogs (I think?)
Opportunity? Existential threat? You decide…
It’s not the first.
No community modded groups, not a Reddit-Like, FrontPage is more of a Digg-like I guess? Anyway nookie looks way more useable.
Early Reddit didn’t have those either, so I suppose it’s a proto-Reddit-like. Nookie does look better.
I think the most interesting opportunity here is that ATProto’s strength is that it was built for a “credible exit”, i.e, it allows users to migrate from any centralized network to a decentralized one.
IOW, it would be a lot easier to implement Fediverser on top of ATProto than of ActivityPub.
Yes, but only if you can do without instances. Instances seem to be important to many in the Fediverse.
Federation is not the natural unit of organization, that’s a hill I’m ready to die on. The problem is that most people get hung up on the idea of instances because they’ve only experienced the two extremes of siloed networks and the “Dark Forest” of blockchain.
I agree with everything. The thing is, I’ve been thinking about the psychology behind this lately.
When Fedi-Fans complain about Bluesky, it is usually based on the misunderstanding that it also is instance based. It really doesn’t seem to occur to many that things might be done differently. But I think it may go a little deeper.
A common complaint is that it’s too expensive to run a full relay. People want to self-host it all. They want to feel that they are in control and don’t need anyone. It’s not particularly rational but people do lots of silly things chasing that feeling. The rational start would be to move somewhere remote and grow your own food. Instead, people buy a pick-up truck or degoogle their phone.
That architecture also appeals to a more tribal mindset. An instance is “our” place. We just pull up the drawbridge when bad people come and we are safe here in “our” castle.
I think to some people that is more appealing than the more open design of atproto.
On Bluesky, there is all this waffle about some people trying to get someone banned. They might find such tribal architecture more appealing.
On the topic of ‘hills to die on’, I will say I have gained a significant respect for you over the last 2 years, for sticking to your principles on this and following through on them.
We might disagree on the best way to do things. I’d witnesed you in the past receiving a lot of pushback (to put it lightly) for a well-intentioned but controversially implemented project (the whole Reddit mirroring and account claiming thing you tried). If I had been in your shoes at the time, I would probably have quit Lemmy and the Fediverse entirely for something else in order to try to pursue that vision. Yet, you’ve stayed with it, with the aim to refine your ideas on how to better bring decentralized social media to the general public. So kudos to you for your resoluteness on this.
I’m good with the ActivityPub threadiverse tyvm
Threadiverse as in the Meta’s Thread?
As in Lemmy+Piefed+Mbin, the Reddit-like parts of the Fediverse
Why do ATProtocol projects tend to look so much more polished even in their infancy? Is that where the front-end people dwell?
In a nutshell, it’s because you don’t have to build the entire kit and kaboodle all at once.
Lots of BlueSky is centralized so you don’t have to worry about distribution, user, hosting, scaling, etc. and just focus on the frontend.
It’s the same reason why all the Lemmy and Mastodon apps look way better than the web versions, because all those other parts are no longer relevant and the creator(s) can focus on just putting out a polished product.
I’d argue that the modular design is a more radical approach to decentralization.
That site looks like it’s closed source. FOSS projects tend to not be well designed in the frontend except the occasional gem. Not sure why it’s such a pattern, considering this project isn’t making much money and it’s made by a single dev.
That wouldn’t surprise me. The PDS handling both authentication and data storage makes it easy to get started quickly without needing to do backend work.
Form over function. They probably have aspirations of getting VC funding and for that you need to look like every other web app.
Interesting.
