I remember getting a zero on a paper for quoting a book source. Funny how all citations look the same.
I got flagged for quoting myself once. It’s ridiculous
FUCK TurnItIn; they make their money off the work of students.
All they do in index student papers. Well, I guess now they also have a shitty UI. But why the FUCK should I be giving up work for free so your colony can make money?
I’ll say it again just incase the cheap seats didn’t hear me; FUCK TURNITIN!
Theyve been doing that for year. Some guy got told he was cheating because a paper he turned in was exactly the same as something written on the internet that the AI found. Turned out to be that the guy was the author of the online work as well.
that’s still considered plagiarism. you still have to cite yourself, you can’t just say things.
No, it was the same paper. HE wrote it. He wasnt citing it, he wasnt coping it. HE was handing in HIS work.
I agree that modern academia defines that as plagiarism. I can’t help but notice that this didn’t use to be the definition until homework scanning websites became a thing in the mid 2000’s. Funny how that works.
It still is not plagiarism. Lazy people like to call it that so they don’t have to check. It is sad to see. Source: my professor who is leading plagiarism investigations at the university
Of you post a preprint to arxiv, and submit the same paper to a journal, you don’t generally cite the preprint in the journal submission, and it’s not considered plagiarism either.
That’s why they’re called “preprints.”
This seems like a similar situation, except the “preprint” went up on some form of personal blog, and the “journal” was a class submission.
One of my English courses in college made us do a “portfolio” type writing where we would have to write something and then throughout the course we would have to show continued improvement in the paper through changes suggested by the TA or peers. This would be very difficult for AI to replicate because the would be specific changes you would need to make and the AI would probably make things worse the more edits you request from it.
Schools should adopt the portfolio method for papers, those that use AI would be pretty obvious and those that are truly writing it themselves would have an extensive previous versions in their documents. Oh does word or other software have a document change log that can be exported and provided with documents to prove AI wasn’t used if not that log feature could be pretty useful.
My sister has been a high school English teacher for like 20 years. Ive talked to her about this at length because I do cyber security stuff.
The future for classrooms is debate in favor of essay.
Read a book. Present a thesis as it pertains to the book. Divide the class and have them debate one specific side of the thesis against the other.
i.e. have them read the great Gatsby. No essay. Just a week of debate.
Day 1, divide the class in half. One half must argue Jay Gatsby was a delusional criminal. The other must argue he was a tragic hero.
Day 2 - “The American Dream is Dead” vs “The American Dream is Corrupt”
Day 3, swap sides for day 1. Day 4, swap sides for day 2.
Day 5, have them write a reflection on the two debates in class. Where do they stand after hearing their peers takes on these positions?
High school students reading the entirety of The Great Gatsby?
Where does this happen these days? From what I’ve read in /r/Teachers, getting kids to read and comprehend more than a couple of paragraphs is a struggle for most students. It’s pretty bad out there.
Literally every public high school in New England.
Even in the fucked up education system in Texas, this is to my knowledge still required reading.
I don’t really know how to comment on these kind of stories because it’s so far past my time that I can’t really get my head around it. Like it would never occur to me that a teacher couldn’t tell just by reading the papers. I couldn’t even do Anonymous surveys because my writing style was so distinctive. Like I had professors come up to me and say thanks for that thing you said in the survey. Is it just really lazy professors who don’t want to read or is it classes where the kids do so little writing that it doesn’t stand out? I don’t understand.
They could be using a school approved “ai” system which helps with time management and a better understanding of their students and experience.
That just seems antithetical to me. How can you get a better understanding of their students and experience if you’re not reading their writing?
Lol and it can be bypass by pasting somewhere else before posting to your paper. I remember reading an article that it was easy to not show you used chat or any other AI.
I guess it doesn’t take one to know one.
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Spiderman pointing at Spiderman dot Jay Peg?
someone mentioned pegging? 👀
Yes, Jay did.
Modern problems call for modern solutions.
