“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.

“These protection jackets and helmets don’t protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. … We lose our lives for no reason.”

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    Okay, and? I’m sorry, my dude, but Hamas won the election before they illegally seized power, and it’s not like the people of Gaza have tried to do anything about that. Who is supposed to do it for them?

    Yeah, it sucks that sometimes the citizens of a nation pay the price for the actions of their leaders. But who else can change their leaders for them?

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      You’re talking about a population with extremely limited resources that is literally 50% (or more) children that has been under two fascist boots for the last decade and a half. There does come a point where a level of desperation combined with a possibility of a better future will instigate a revolution, but right now? They don’t see a possibility of a better future. With Israel’s Likud on the other side of the wall and no resources to rebuild after a coup, what’s the point in gambling everything on maybe being able to overthrow the more local oppression?

      Also, education in Gaza is very inconsistent and most political revolutions are started by people with education and nothing to lose.

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        Okay? What, am I supposed to say that the people supporting genocidal lunatics aren’t doing that because they have a shitload of kids? How does that change jack or shit?

        Or do you think Israel shouldn’t defend themselves because the people relentlessly attacking them have a bunch of children? What is the path towards Hamas no longer launching rockets and attacks at Israel?

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            Hundreds. One would be too many, as they are perpetrated by the official government of Gaza.

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              So how many is “too many” for Israel to have killed? Or do the citizens of Gaza not count the same way Israelis do?

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                Well, since Israel is the party which is defending itself, they have the right to go after Hamas. And since Hamas hides among civilians, if the civilians of Gaza get tired of falling victim to collateral damage, they should talk to Hamas about it.

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          I think you are misunderstanding how the demographic shift in Gaza has happened. They didn’t have a baby boom, it’s just that many of them do not survive very far into adulthood because of violence, health and environmental problems, and, when they can manage it, emigration.

          Secondarily, I’m interested to hear how you justify calling Hamas genocidal without making the same observation about the Likud and Netanyahu.

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            Dude they have been having a huge population boom for a long time. Population growth rate is 2% per year. PER YEAR.

            Secondarily, I’m interested to hear how you justify calling Hamas genocidal without making the same observation about the Likud and Netanyahu.

            Likud and Netanyahu are far right nationalists. In that sense, they’re like Hamas. I am not a fan of them. The difference is what they’re willing to do to promote the interests of their state. Netanyahu and Likud have lines they won’t cross, Hamas doesn’t. If Netanyahu was as deranged as Hamas, they’d nuke Gaza and just go in and slaughter the population. I am glad they have those lines.

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              The fact that Netanyahu has supported Hamas in the past as a foil to the PA says otherwise to me. To a certain extent, Israel has made its own monster out of Hamas and Gaza through their policies and positions.

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                There’s some of that but at the end of the day, the people of Gaza and the leaders of Hamas are responsible for their own decisions.