It’s amazing that people can see Apartheid and how it ended and never question Palestinian actions. Apartheid ended because there was a belief in a peaceful future. There’s no Mandela in Palestine that can convince the Israeli’s that giving up power would lead to peace. And after a 20 year experiment in self rule in Gaza failed; it’s hard to see the alternative.
Just fyi. Apartheid didn’t end because of peaceful protest.
The ANC had been peacefully opposing the Apartheid government. But that all ended after the Sharpeville massacre commited by the Apartheid government.
Then MK was formed ( uMkhonto we Sizwe). MK was the armed guerilla resistance that Mandela and the ANC saw was needed, because the Apartheid government wasn’t giving in to peaceful opposition of their government.
You’re probably confusing what people say was a ‘peaceful’ end to Apartheid because civil war was avoided.
And it was only truly avoided because the resistance had to make so many unfair concessions to the international liberal powers that be ( imf, the US etc.) and the Apartheid government. Otherwise the Apartheid government was gearing up to actually start mass murdering the non white population (aka genocide).
There truly are a lot of parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel
Exactly. People don’t want to accept it but i see a lot of parallels between MK and Qassam brigades as liberation armed struggle. When peaceful protest fails then violent opposition is inevitable.
And the PLA has rejected all 2 state solution offers, pays out a fund to the families of killed terrorists (including Hamas’ and is just as corrupt if not more corrupt than Hamas. Endorsed the 10/7 attacks. They’re not a potential partner for peace and have proven it over the last 40 years or so.
Like the other guy said, what ended Apartheid was the ANC’s violent resistance and international pressure.
Also the “experiment” in Gaza failed because Israel has blockaded Gaza exactly as long as Gaza has had self-rule (both started in September 2005). The Gazan economy was dependent on using the income from agricultural exports to import food and other life necessities. Then Israel came and just said no you can’t do that.
And two decades of indiscriminate rocket fire kept it going.
Then why wasn’t it lifted in 2008 or 2013? Israel signed ceasefires with Hamas then that stipulated the blockade would be lifted, and even though Hamas followed their end of the ceasefire it wasn’t lifted.
Also, then what was the “experiment” you were talking about? Whether a strip of land dependent on foreign trade can survive when cut off from the outside world?
During the initial week of the ceasefire, Islamic Jihad militants fired rockets on Israel. Under pressure from Hamas, Islamic Jihad had agreed to abide by the temporary truce, which was meant to apply only to Gaza, but had balked at the idea of not responding to Israeli military actions in the West Bank. The New York Times reported that the Islamic Jihad action broke the Hamas-Israeli Gaza truce.[3] During the next 5 months of the ceasefire, Gazan attacks decreased significantly for a total of 19 rocket and 18 mortar shell launchings,[3][4] compared to 1199 rockets and 1072 mortar shells in 2008 up to 19 June, a reduction of 98%.[5]
Pretty sure. A similar thing happened in 2013 too.
The ceasefire demanded that Hamas police other groups to prevent them from firing rockets. They did. Do you understand the numbers you’re reading? 19 rockets is basically a rounding error, and could’ve been reduced further had Israel actually followed its end of the deal.
The agreement called on Israel to increase the level of goods entering Gaza by 30 percent over the pre-lull period within 72 hours and to open all border crossings and “allow the transfer of all goods that were banned and restricted to go into Gaza” within 13 days after the beginning of the ceasefire.
To my knowledge that didn’t happen. Not even close.
The increase in supplies of food, water, medicine and fuel did improve, but the increase was only to an average of about 20 percent of normal levels,[91] compared to the Hamas compliance in reducing rocket fire by 98%.[88] Two months later the volume of goods arriving was too low to significantly improve living conditions,[92] preventing UNRWA from replenishing its stores.[93] Israel told U.S. officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza’s economy “on the brink of collapse”
It’s amazing that people can see Apartheid and how it ended and never question Palestinian actions. Apartheid ended because there was a belief in a peaceful future. There’s no Mandela in Palestine that can convince the Israeli’s that giving up power would lead to peace. And after a 20 year experiment in self rule in Gaza failed; it’s hard to see the alternative.
Just fyi. Apartheid didn’t end because of peaceful protest.
The ANC had been peacefully opposing the Apartheid government. But that all ended after the Sharpeville massacre commited by the Apartheid government.
Then MK was formed ( uMkhonto we Sizwe). MK was the armed guerilla resistance that Mandela and the ANC saw was needed, because the Apartheid government wasn’t giving in to peaceful opposition of their government.
You’re probably confusing what people say was a ‘peaceful’ end to Apartheid because civil war was avoided.
And it was only truly avoided because the resistance had to make so many unfair concessions to the international liberal powers that be ( imf, the US etc.) and the Apartheid government. Otherwise the Apartheid government was gearing up to actually start mass murdering the non white population (aka genocide).
There truly are a lot of parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel
don’t forget, the MK was also considered a terrorist organization.
Exactly. People don’t want to accept it but i see a lot of parallels between MK and Qassam brigades as liberation armed struggle. When peaceful protest fails then violent opposition is inevitable.
The problem is that there’s no peaceful organization saying “yes two state solution” or “yes one integrated, non-religious state”.
Weaker violence only works if there’s a weaker peaceful option.
Uh… The PNA?
I think you mean PLA.
And the PLA has rejected all 2 state solution offers, pays out a fund to the families of killed terrorists (including Hamas’ and is just as corrupt if not more corrupt than Hamas. Endorsed the 10/7 attacks. They’re not a potential partner for peace and have proven it over the last 40 years or so.
Like the other guy said, what ended Apartheid was the ANC’s violent resistance and international pressure.
Also the “experiment” in Gaza failed because Israel has blockaded Gaza exactly as long as Gaza has had self-rule (both started in September 2005). The Gazan economy was dependent on using the income from agricultural exports to import food and other life necessities. Then Israel came and just said no you can’t do that.
The world’s largest ever suicide bombing campaign started that blockade. And two decades of indiscriminate rocket fire kept it going.
The Iron Dome isn’t magic. It can only intercept so many projectiles. No blockade and Gaza is recoccuoied in 2008.
Then why wasn’t it lifted in 2008 or 2013? Israel signed ceasefires with Hamas then that stipulated the blockade would be lifted, and even though Hamas followed their end of the ceasefire it wasn’t lifted.
Also, then what was the “experiment” you were talking about? Whether a strip of land dependent on foreign trade can survive when cut off from the outside world?
Because they kept firing rockets. 2008
Pretty sure. A similar thing happened in 2013 too.
The ceasefire demanded that Hamas police other groups to prevent them from firing rockets. They did. Do you understand the numbers you’re reading? 19 rockets is basically a rounding error, and could’ve been reduced further had Israel actually followed its end of the deal.
Israel did lower the intensity of it’s blockade. That was the deal a gradual removal of the blockade.
To my knowledge that didn’t happen. Not even close.