“We’re getting dangerously close to a nuclear accident,” IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said following multiple attacks against the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine.

The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency said attacks against Europe’s largest nuclear power plant have put the world “dangerously close to a nuclear accident”.

Without attributing blame, IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said his agency has been able to confirm three attacks against the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant since 7 April.

“These reckless attacks must cease immediately,” he told the Security Council on Monday. “Though, fortunately, they have not led to a radiological incident this time, they significantly increase the risk … where nuclear safety is already compromised.”

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    And I should at that point. I’m strongly opposed to US troops in Ukraine to fight the war.

    That said, attacking the power plant is a red line for me. That is an attack on the world.

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      I figure NATO will declare a humanitarian mission and send troops in. And since it’s a war zone…

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        NATO will declare a humanitarian mission and send troops in

        Do they even bother with that shit anymore?

        We’ve got half a dozen humanitarian disasters the world over, from Haiti to Sudan to Myanmar, and NATO seems completely asleep at the switch.

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          Cause for action. NATO countries surround Ukraine and will get radiation from a melt down. Thier presence gives Russia a political problem. Controlling a nuclear disaster and creating a safe zone is justifcation.

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            NATO countries surround Ukraine and will get radiation from a melt down.

            They’re already eating shit from the refugee crisis, the impact on waterways caused by that dam explosion, and the flood of food exports that have cratered European agricultural markets.

            Controlling a nuclear disaster and creating a safe zone is justifcation.

            How will NATO soldiers create more of a safe zone than their Ukrainian peers?

            Ukrainians had NATO weapons, under the guidance of NATO military specialists, with NATO surveillance, and NATO special forces augmenting their troop base. What secret sauce does a 19-year-old French grunt enjoy that a 26-year-old Ukrainian grunt lacks?

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              What secret sauce? Numbers. NATO has a half million troops. Thelargest air and Navy. Russia don’t want none of that.

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                NATO has a half million troops.

                Ukrainian Defense Ministry statistics say the country’s military had nearly 800,000 troops in October. That doesn’t include National Guard or other units. In total, 1 million Ukrainians are in uniform, including about 300,000 who are serving on front lines.

                This, after over two years of continuous conflict.

                A new influx of NATO soliders would still be operating under the same failed military strategy. They’d be faced with the same stacked up Russian defense - layer after layer of land mines and bunkers and artillery support - that will eviscerate those 500,000 NATO troops unless they can figure out how to dance between shards of shrapnel.

                Russia don’t want none of that.

                If NATO states committed their full allotment of troops to the Ukrainian front, that would mean pulling soldiers out of the African and Middle Eastern and East Asia conflict zones. That would mean more Revolutionary Governments joining Niger and Mali and Burkina Faso, more uncontested rocket strikes in the Gulf of Adan, and more opportunities for Chinese naval vessels to encircle Taiwan.

                All so Zelensky can… what? Retake Bakhmut? The city that didn’t matter?

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                  Half a million is only combat ready troops, NATO has 3.5 million military and personnel total.

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                  A new influx of NATO soliders would still be operating under the same failed military strategy. They’d be faced with the same stacked up Russian defense - layer after layer of land mines and bunkers and artillery support - that will eviscerate those 500,000 NATO troops unless they can figure out how to dance between shards of shrapnel.

                  Not sure you understand the tactics of the United States. That’s exactly what Iraq did in gulf war 1. How did that work out for them? Maneuver warfare beats that everyday.

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                    That’s exactly what Iraq did in gulf war 1

                    The US had air superiority in Gulf War 1. Modern Russian air defense is far superior to anything Saddam was able to buy from Donald Rumsfeld back in the 80s.

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      bring NATO into the war

      [it?] should at that point

      That said, attacking the power plant is a red line for me. That is an attack on the world.

      Are you suggesting that NATO joins Russia in fighting Ukraine due to Ukraine doing “an attack on the world”? I don’t see this happening…
      Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant was seized and is controlled by Russia for more than 2 years now. So the attacks are coming from Ukrainian side. You do understand that, do you?

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          There is a possibility that this a false flag, sure!
          But to claim that something is a false flag you need to back it up with something better than “they did that in the past so this surely must be it”, don’t you think?
          When countries A and B are at war, and there’s an attack happening on the territory of country B, is your first thought “this must be a false flag” or “this must be an attack by country A”?

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        I think you read that the wrong way 'round. It makes sense to me, in the context of being against the stupid Russians.

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            Because Russia deliberately attack the power plant, that is an attack on the world. It seems to me that you read it as if Ukraine did this attack?

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              I did not read that “Ukraine did this attack”, as a matter of fact article does not say who attacked it, because they “lack evidence”.
              It’s just the only way I see how one can believe that the attack was done by Russia, is a conspiracy theory that Russia attacks its own territory.
              On the other one, Ukraine attacking it is perfectly logical because they are attacking a territory of their enemy that they do not control.

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                Do you understand that Ukraine does not see the south of its own country as “enemy territory”?

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                  So, are you saying that Ukraine is not bombing the territories occupied by Russia?
                  And how do you define an “enemy territory”? Because from my definition of “enemy territory”, any territory occupied by your enemy, territory on which it resides and controls is “enemy territory”…

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                    No, I’m saying they are very unlikely to want a second nuclear disaster on the land they want to control.

                    Your definition is your own and not a very useful one, because by your definition any territory lost is immediately your enemies’ territory now and you become the aggressor for trying to regain your own land. Do you think Ukraine are the aggressors?

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                It’s simple. Ukraine is fighting to get their home land back. They are smart and will not destroy the power plant. This is undeniable fact.

                On the other hand, Russia is driven by a power hungry maniac, and they have shelled the plant before. They also had their troops dig trenches in the irradiated soil - poor sods will all die from cancer, if not from acute lead poisoning. This is also undeniable fact.

                If we agree on this, let’s have a discussion. If not, I will consider you an unusually eloquent but still Russian troll and block you for wasting my time.

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                  They are smart and will not destroy the power plant. This is undeniable fact.

                  This is not a fact, this is an opinion.

                  Feel free to block me now :)

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              The article does not say otherwise.
              The article says

              The remote-controlled nature of the drones that have attacked the plant means that it is not possible to determine who launched them

              So you would rather believe a conspiracy theory (or what else would you call that?) that Russia is repeatedly (!) attacking itself, it’s own territory that it controls for more than 2 years, than that Ukraine is attacking the territory of its enemy?

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                  This is correct from the viewpoint of Ukraine (and its allies)!
                  But according to Russia and Russian laws - it is Russian territory now.
                  According to the facts, it is fully controlled by Russia for 2 years now (are you arguing with that?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_annexation_of_Donetsk,_Kherson,_Luhansk_and_Zaporizhzhia_oblasts_of_Ukraine
                  Note that we are not talking about whether it is legal by international law, whether it’s recognized by the rest of the world, etc. The fact is according to Russia it is Russian territory, and the fact is that it has full control over it. And so we are getting back to my question

                  you would rather believe a conspiracy theory (or what else would you call that?) that Russia is repeatedly (!) attacking itself, it’s own territory that it controls for more than 2 years, than that Ukraine is attacking the territory of its enemy?