Miguel Alvaro claims he endured a horrifying ordeal when he was targeted and physically assaulted by Turkish police solely based on his appearance, being perceived as gay and suspected of planning to participate in the Pride march in Istanbul
While gay sex was never illegal there there’s a couple of “public indecency” type laws which allow police to harass folks. Regarding public sentiment: If tomorrow you had a referendum whether civil unions should be introduced it would not be unlikely to pass, pro-marriage and pro-union are almost 50% with 30% undecided. And don’t think that protesters for other stuff are treated more kindly.
Comparing the situation in Turkey to that in other Muslim countries, as done in the icky portions of the post replies, (except say Albania), is dishonest and misleading as fuck: Most problems arise not really because Turkey is a homophobic shithole, much less a particularly homophobic one, but because it’s a shithole. Go ahead, try to outlaw alcohol in Turkey and you’ll see how much arguing with the Quran is accepted there.
Bonus song (enable subtitles). Oh and someone has to explain to Turkish machos that bullying bottoms is totally gay.
I wouldn’t say Turkey is a “shithole” — whatever that means. Turkey is in a serious culture war. Besides being ruled by an Islamic populist autocrat, and for that reason, it is one of the most “Islamophobic” countries in the world.
About 10 percent of the adult population and 30 percent of the gen-Zers are non-theistic. Most of them are anti-theistic, anti-Islamic, Stalinian atheists, who would completely agree with you on Turkey being a shithole, and want a “battle-ready” “democracy” in a cruel “battle” with Islam and Muslims.
While the trans surgeries is not affirmed by medicare and there is real stigma around it, trans people have every legal right, including official name and sex —yes, sex— change. And like Erdogan says, “the opposition is gay.” They’re for LGBT rights.
And, except alien ghettos and other no-go zones, it is not a “shithole” in the means of culture, security, safety, crime rates, and legal issues aren’t about the “overlords.”
So, it’s a mixed bag. It is a terrible country economically, equalitically etc. But not completely unsalvagable. Turkey definitely can be “OK, fine” again.
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“If tomorrow you had a referendum whether civil unions should be introduced it would not be unlikely to pass, pro-marriage and pro-union are almost 50% with 30% undecided.”
This is not terrible. Check out how Ireland legalized gay marriage.
While gay sex was never illegal there there’s a couple of “public indecency” type laws which allow police to harass folks. Regarding public sentiment: If tomorrow you had a referendum whether civil unions should be introduced it would not be unlikely to pass, pro-marriage and pro-union are almost 50% with 30% undecided. And don’t think that protesters for other stuff are treated more kindly.
Comparing the situation in Turkey to that in other Muslim countries, as done in the icky portions of the post replies, (except say Albania), is dishonest and misleading as fuck: Most problems arise not really because Turkey is a homophobic shithole, much less a particularly homophobic one, but because it’s a shithole. Go ahead, try to outlaw alcohol in Turkey and you’ll see how much arguing with the Quran is accepted there.
Bonus song (enable subtitles). Oh and someone has to explain to Turkish machos that bullying bottoms is totally gay.
I wouldn’t say Turkey is a “shithole” — whatever that means. Turkey is in a serious culture war. Besides being ruled by an Islamic populist autocrat, and for that reason, it is one of the most “Islamophobic” countries in the world.
About 10 percent of the adult population and 30 percent of the gen-Zers are non-theistic. Most of them are anti-theistic, anti-Islamic, Stalinian atheists, who would completely agree with you on Turkey being a shithole, and want a “battle-ready” “democracy” in a cruel “battle” with Islam and Muslims.
While the trans surgeries is not affirmed by medicare and there is real stigma around it, trans people have every legal right, including official name and sex —yes, sex— change. And like Erdogan says, “the opposition is gay.” They’re for LGBT rights.
And, except alien ghettos and other no-go zones, it is not a “shithole” in the means of culture, security, safety, crime rates, and legal issues aren’t about the “overlords.”
So, it’s a mixed bag. It is a terrible country economically, equalitically etc. But not completely unsalvagable. Turkey definitely can be “OK, fine” again.
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“If tomorrow you had a referendum whether civil unions should be introduced it would not be unlikely to pass, pro-marriage and pro-union are almost 50% with 30% undecided.”
This is not terrible. Check out how Ireland legalized gay marriage.
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