Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

. . .

Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

MBFC
Archive

  • CableMonster@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    4 months ago

    Gotcha, I can explain it to you. Russia believes that NATO expansion toward them is an extential threat to their existence. NATO and the US know this, and know that NATO membership of the countries like Ukraine and Georgia is unacceptable. So when Georgia was going in the direction of NATO, then russia invaded a couple months later. So then when Ukraine was going in the direction of NATO membership, russia invaded. You can disagree with their reasons, but that is their reasons not some bullshit claim that Russia is the next 1930s germany.

    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      4 months ago

      Hey! These countries want to be grouped together to defend against my expansionism! Better invade them to stop them from grouping together, halting my ambitions to get the band back together! Nato is a defensive agreement after all.

      • CableMonster@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        4 months ago

        You can not like their beliefs, but this was was completely avoidable, and the idea that russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia due to expansionism is a lie, and the people telling you this are aware it a lie.

        • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          4 months ago

          Yeah, if russia didn’t want to expand it’s territory, it would have been avoided. However that’s not the case, it’s not a lie. Why would countries join a defensive pact around russia if russia wasn’t eyeballing their territory?

          • CableMonster@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            4 months ago

            You are just repeating the propaganda talking points. NATO knew that it was the reddest of red lines, and they did it anyways. You can not like it, but its the known consequence of the action.

            You should be asking; why would NATO take a completely unnecessary action that would cause a war. But I guess if you keep looking at russia, then you wont think about what is happening.

            • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              4 months ago

              You are just repeating the propaganda talking points. russia knew that it was the reddest of red lines, and they did it anyways. You can not like it, but its the known consequence of the action.

              You should be asking; why would russia take a completely unnecessary action that would cause a war. But I guess if you keep looking at NATO, then you wont think about what is happening.

              • CableMonster@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                4 months ago

                Uh… this is not the kind of statement you can just switch the names on and it makes sense…

                • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  It absolutely is. In fact it makes sense when I switched it. You are minimizing the death and destruction that russia, and russia alone is causing to Ukraine. You are blaming nato, a defensive alliance, meant to keep each other safe from russian/warsaw countries aggression. The only country that is to blame for the war is russia. And to suggest otherwise is an insult to the people who are fighting for their right not to be oppressed by putin and his cronies.