• eleitl@lemm.ee
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      6 days ago

      Do not expect to find facts on Wikipedia when the overall propaganda volume is deafening.

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        6 days ago

        Generally I found it’s best to not argue with the “wisdom of the crowds” unless you really know the domain, and even then, with care.

        Sorry it doesn’t say what you want.

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      7 days ago

      The overthrow of a democratically elected president? That is what caused Eastern provinces to go into rebellion. Forcing those Eastern provinces to go back to being ruled by a pronato kyiv is impossible and will just lead to more fighting that will resolve nothing

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        6 days ago

        I’m sure those living in the seized parts of Ukraine are living in more of democracy now… /s

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          6 days ago

          Democracy never exists in an active warzone what does that have to do with how the conflict started?

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            6 days ago

            I’m sure if Russia wins, it will bring its conquered lands to highs of democracy the rest of Russia enjoys… and the citizens will absolutely notice the difference.

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              6 days ago

              You’re changing the subject away from how the conflict started because you don’t know what your talking about

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                6 days ago

                Hands up, no my area. I’m not a Ukrainian. I known a few. They tell me Russia attacked their country. As does ever news outlet that I trust. So yer, sorry random person on the internet, I’m going with their narrative over yours.

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                    6 days ago

                    Oh I skimmed it. Russia invaded following Ukraine’s Revolution of Dignity, which was a anti-government uprising because the Russian puppet president won’t sign a free trade deal with the EU. Russia claimed it was going in to protect Russian speaking pro-separatists. Only there was a lot of plain clothed Russian military on holiday there and the referendum was not free and fair by and standard above Russian… etc etc.

                    Russia should have left Ukraine alone then and the west shouldn’t have looked the other way when it didn’t.