Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Lebanese people that they could face “destruction and suffering” like the Palestinians in Gaza if they don’t “free” the country from Hezbollah.
“You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza,” the Israeli prime minister said in a video address directed to the people of Lebanon.
“I say to you, the people of Lebanon: Free your country from Hezbollah so that this war can end.”
I wonder how fully, fully, fully Biden will support it.
People here constantly repeating this is so tiresome. Read this: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/bob-woodward-book-war-joe-biden-putin-netanyahu-trump/index.html
And yet he has yet to get off Bibi’s dick.
Still sending weapons, aid money. no sanctions. Military support when they fuck around are about to find out.
But Biden is shaking his fist very angrily! That has to count for something! /s
Is his brow furrowed, though?
It’s the complete performance, though maybe the added wink and nod spoil it a bit.
Just because Biden bitches about Netanyahu in private doesn’t mean he’s not supporting Israel unconditionally.
This comment is so puerile. Joe Biden isn’t a king. Take it up with the vast majority of Americans who have been supporting Israel’s genocide.
2/3rds of America support a ceasefire. This isn’t the will of the majority. Just the will of the rich.
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If he did actually support a ceasefire, he would have enforced it. Israel is America’s proxy. Biden holds the cards here.
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The popular opinion is to force Israel to make a ceasefire agreement. Biden hasn’t done it though. So you’re wrong.
You’re talking as if political donors and lobbies don’t exist.
They don’t care, they want to get Trump elected.
I’m taking him at face value, not someone’s memoire recollection.
Serious question: what do you think publicly repudiating Israel would do for the democrats’ chances of willing the presidential election? It makes sense for them to say nothing publicly while privately trying to tie down those loose cannons.
I think it would help. A lot.
Honestly I suspect it would do the opposite, Lemmy is a bit of a echo chamber and while users here heavily skew towards favoring Palestine in this, or at least condemning what Isreal is and honestly has long been doing to them, the US as a whole, even the base of the democratic party, has long been at least mildly friendly towards Isreal, and a large fraction will see Hamas’s attack as justifying Isreali action. It’s a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for the dems I think where their current path angers progressives on the left, and actively sanctioning Isreal would probably anger the more center-right side of the party, and they need both to turn out to win. They probably figure that at the end of the day, the left either is mostly younger people that don’t vote as reliably, or will bite their tongues and vote for them, because, well, if you’re given only two possible futures, both evil, and a choice between them, one has a moral obligation to choose the lesser evil, no matter how evil that lesser is, just because by definition, the greater evil is worse. But the center-right, they probably figure, probably don’t care about what is happening as much, and will feel much less uncomfortable about just voting for the republicans instead if the dem candidate doesn’t do what they want.
That being said, it doesn’t really much matter, ethically, if not helping kill tens of thousands of innocent people makes it slightly harder to win political power for yourself, it’s still a pretty horrible excuse. Nobody sitting in a jury would let someone go free if they were accused of being an accomplice to a murder, if that accomplice’s defense was “well, I’m running for mayor, and if I didn’t help the murderer, his friends probably won’t vote for me”. Like I get that Kamala isn’t really calling the shots on that, being only vice president currently, but she doesn’t seem like she intends to change how Biden has handled the situation much.
Don’t get me wrong, I am voting for her, I’m not one of those people that thinks that it is somehow noble to just let the greater evil win if it means not taking an action that helps the lesser evil beat it, I think that the going for the best outcome plausibly available is always the right thing to do and that doing the reverse because “well my hands are clean” is a misguided and self centered way to do ethics, but like damn people (to which I mean the people that actually side with Isreal in this, and the DNC I guess, not they they see my tired internet ranting), just because the other option is as close as the country has come in a century to “literally Hitler” does not mean that you have to emulate Churchill refusing to help the Bengalis.
They figured it’ll cost them more to condemn Israel. And they’re wrong. Progressive voters’ (a demographic that was essential for Biden’s 2020 victory) enthusiasm is in the ditch and Muslim voters are actively abandoning Harris (another essential demographic) and in doing so giving multiple swing states to Republicans. And I repeat: multiple. Michigan isn’t the only one.
That aside, you have to remember that center right democrats don’t care about Israel as much as leftists care about Palestine. Even Democrat voters who would find conditioning aid to Israel objectionable wouldn’t care enough to change their vote on election day, because the people who do care that much are already all republican.
Political power for themselves, sure, but that also means way less power for the Kremlin asset who will do an incredible amount of damage of elected again.
Shit. You’re right.
It would help with a base that doesn’t reliably vote even in countries where they have more political options available to them.
In the population in general more people support Israel than Palestine, especially amongst older electors that actually show up to vote.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/younger-americans-stand-out-in-their-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
Would probably improve them. Dramatically so if backed by actions such as stopping all weapons shipments
First of all, no. It doesn’t make sense to publicly do the opposite of what a majority of the population, including an overwhelming majority of your own base, wants.
Also, “loose cannons” must be a new fucking record for downplaying 75 years of apartheid rule and an ongoing genocide!
Source for this? Polls I’ve seen suggest otherwise, but maybe you have access to data that others don’t.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/646955/disapproval-israeli-action-gaza-eases-slightly.aspx
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They’ve polled roughly that question. It would increase support among Democrats and Independents, i.e., the people that matter.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-split-continuing-military-aid-israel
Now poll likely voters. Gen Z and their TikTok propaganda-fueled superficial outrage mean nothing in an election when they don’t bother to vote… and they don’t.
Here are 4 polls, 2 from May and 2 from Nov 2024
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Thanks, I think I was wrong and appreciate the correction
Well it seems currently they’re supporting it, and currently they’re also neck and neck with Trump. Doesn’t it strike you as odd that the race is so close despite Trump having dozens of felonies, being so old, and being generally insane?
He didn’t “say nothing publicly”, and nice try moving the goalpost.
Huh?
It would guarantee a Trump landslide. Democrats are already being called antisemites.
Yeah this is exactly what people said about Biden dropping out of the race too.
Everyone, including Jon Stewart and Nancy Pelosi, wanted Joe Biden to drop out. We all did. But attacking him was a dumb strategy. Unless of course you’re a histrionic child throwing a tantrum.
This comment neatly summarizes centrist Democrats to me. “We know that we need to do this to win, but don’t do it because we might not win.” Just like the arguments that LGBTQ groups shouldn’t have been pushing for equality 20 years ago, because it would alienate voters and harm Democrats.
Y’know, sometimes voters respect a principled stand, and the courage to push for what’s right.
The genocide is real. Those are words, and 100% more cynical than thoughts and prayers
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That is not something I would take as fact. Questionable polling at best, and it’s laughable to say it’s what the American people want when they have no say in the matter. The powers at be will not allow candidates to be critical of Israel…ie the PACs that choose which candidates are on the national ticket. I’m sure if the American people were able to vote on this issue, funding to Israel would cease immediately.
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You’re either trolling or very naive
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Yes. Democrats and Independents both favor conditioning arms sales to Israel and say . Republicans don’t matter. There may also be questions that ask “do you support Israel” that also have a majority, but that’s not the question at hand (whether to continue supporting their war effort). And even if you shift to argue that the American opinion is mixed, that’s very much not overwhelmingly favoring continuing our role in the genocide.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-split-continuing-military-aid-israel
https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-continue-say-us-should-stay-impartial-israeli-palestinian
To quote: “Have you ever even looked at polls? Lmao.”
So your justification for supporting genocide is that it gives people better opportunities for career advancement? Well, now I’m convinced it’s a good thing.
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That’s true but as long as his political opponent has a more supportive stance on Israel, the Democratic Party knows that there’s a lot more room to support Israel without haemorrhaging too many voters who don’t align with that value.