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    that is not an Army “being supported by” anyone… it exists. it was armed and trained by NATO, that’s correct… it is basically a NATO force now… deal with it or not, they’re going to show you…

    there is no force anywhere in Europe that can stop that Army now… it doesn’t matter if you understand that or not… they don’t need help…

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      You can have the best, most elite fighting force on the face of the planet. They still need weapons, they still need ammo, they still need grenades and rockets and artillery shells, their weapons and tanks and APC’s and drones still need servicing and replacements.

      In short, Ukraine needs an entire war-oriented production line and logistics/supply system. They have one now, courtesy of the EU, the US, and Ukraine’s other allies. A significant percentage of that military aid came from the US. The US is interested in helping Ukraine regain it’s full sovereignty including Crimea, and protecting it’s European allies. It has absolutely no interest in or appetite for, any real invasion of Russian soil. The US and the EU have repeatedly told Ukraine that Ukraine cannot use any materiel supplied by the US, the EU, or European nations, in any attack on Russia itself.

      Ukraine cannot ‘win’ an invasion of Russia with the weapons it currently has: they don’t have enough weapons or anywhere near enough ammo to do it. They may have enough for quick strike forces, but they certainly don’t have enough men to actually occupy Russia. Your dream of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Russian highways is just that - a dream.

      As for your assertion that “that is not an Army “being supported by” anyone […] they don’t need help”: here is a list of military retirement that the US has sent so far - it doesn’t even invite what Ukraine has received from other countries or companies. Please explain to me how Ukraine, even with the best army in the world, would win it’s war without the weapons and ammo supplied by it’s allies. And again, this is just a list of the US military aid, not the EU, not Australia or any of the other countries and companies sending supplies. U.S. security assistance to Ukraine between January 20, 2020, and June 27, 2023:

      [Please see my reply to this comment, it’s a long list]

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        you’re working really hard… good luck with that…

        In short, Ukraine…

        i love that you actually used the words, “in short”… just to demonstrate what a troll you are…

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        10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems

        70,000 other anti-armor systems and

        munitions

        1,700 Stinger anti-aircraft systems

        4,000 TOW missiles

        35,000 grenade launchers and small arms,

        with ammunition

        100,000 sets of body armor and helmets

        Thousands of night-vision devices,

        surveillance systems, thermal imagery

        systems, optics, and laser rangefinders

        C-4 and other explosives

        Explosive-ordnance-disposal equipment

        M18A1 Claymore mines

        Anti-tank mines

        Mine-clearing equipment

        Obstacle-emplacement equipment

        Medical supplies

        Field equipment, cold-weather gear,

        generators, and spare parts

        Chemical, biological, radiological, and

        nuclear protective equipment

        18 armored bridging systems

        160 155mm Howitzers and ammunition

        72 105mm Howitzers and ammunition

        47 120mm mortar systems

        10 82mm mortar systems

        67 81mm mortar systems

        58 60mm mortar systems

        203mm, 152mm, 130mm, 122mm, 120mm,

        and 25mm ammunition

        38 HIMAR systems

        60,000 122mm Grad rockets

        Precision-guided rockets

        Rocket launchers and ammunition

        154 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles

        4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles

        31 Abrams tanks

        45 T-72B tanks (via the Czech Republic)

        125 Stryker armored personnel carriers

        300 M113 armored personnel carriers

        250 M1117 armored security vehicles

        200 armored medical-treatment vehicles

        500 MRAP vehicles

        125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank

        ammunition

        2,000 Humvees

        354 tactical vehicles

        100 light tactical vehicles

        68 trucks

        124 trailers

        10 command post vehicles

        30 ammunition support vehicles

        6 armored utility trucks

        8 logistics support vehicle

        89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers

        1 Patriot air defense battery and munitions

        8 NASAM systems

        20 Avenger air defense systems

        HAWK air defense systems and munitions

        Laser-guided rocket systems

        RIM-7 missiles

        Antiaircraft guns and ammunition

        Equipment to integrate with and sustain

        Ukraine’s systems

        9 anti-drone gun trucks and ammunition

        10 anti-drone laser-guided rocket systems

        High-speed anti-radiation missiles

        (HARMs)

        Precision aerial munitions

        6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets (could function

        as air defense)

        7,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets

        20 Mi-17 helicopters

        ScanEagle drones

        Puma drones

        JUMP drones

        CyberLux K8 drones

        Switchblade drones

        Phoenix Ghost drones

        ALTIUS-600 drones (can also be used for

        surveillance)

        Munitions

        2 Harpoon coastal defense systems

        62 coastal and riverine patrol boats

        Unmanned coastal defense vessels

        Port and harbor security equipment

        4 satellite communications antennas

        2 radars for unmanned aerial systems

        21 air surveillance radars

        70 counter-artillery and counter-

        mortar radars

        20 multi-mission radars

        Tactical secure communications systems

        Counter air defense capability

        Counter–unmanned aerial systems

        Electronic jamming equipment

        SATCOM terminals and services

        Commercial satellite imagery services