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Here’s a great article on a site that doesn’t force you to register for an account. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/huaweis-new-mystery-7nm-chip-from-chinese-fab-defies-us-sanctions
This is part of what sanctions are about. China has been hacking companies around the world to steal technology to be able to produce stuff like this.
Everything can be reverse engineered without any transfer or hacking. Anyone with the resources available can take a die and remove layer by layer to reverse engineer any design. All major players are dong this type of reverse engineering. Determining what everyone else is doing is just the first step. The difficulty is developing the actual fab processes required in practice and at high yield.
Our biggest mistake in the US is over valuing IP to a ridiculous extreme. The value is in the physical process and application. We value potential exploitation instead of innovation at every level. We relegate innovation to a small elite group in a lab. This is stupid. While a few brilliant people are an asset, the few can not compete with the many. By outsourcing everything and failing to value an integrated workforce there is no chance of the USA remaining relevant against a country that has an integrated workforce and is over three times larger in population.
Even more so, most leading universities in the USA have largely abandoned domestic recruiting by exorbitant costs and turned to foreign recruitment for a larger pool of the super rich. Most of these foreign students are Asian and have been for decades. These people eventually go home to places where growth is integrated and workers are valued. The USA is a terrible place to live if you are not already a billionaire. The cost of living is ridiculous, the food quality is garbage, the infrastructure is crumbling, and the quality of life is terrible for the majority of people you encounter. Getting paid a little less to move to a place that is growing and investing in its entire population is a no brainer.
Open Source always wins. The writing is on the wall for all proprietary hardware. It is already obsolete. The real value is in everything that was outsourced and those things can’t be brought back. The USA is fading into obsolescence because it over values exploitation instead of innovation and the super rich over the average citizens.
Perhaps I’m a bit biased by what I’ve read about Foxconn and other large companies over there but nothing has given me the impression they value workers. Japan doesn’t seem to value it’s workers either, given the work culture most places still have.
I’m not talking about individuals or localized culture, but overarching national policy. Things like affordable housing, transportation, medical, education, and infrastructure that support a growing society. The USA has massive decline in all but the top percent. No one has it all figured out and there will always be political pariahs. I’m looking at the lack of public transit infrastructure, corrupt housing policies, corporate privateering, open corruption in all high levels of government, and primarily the ability of 750 billionaires to fund and prevent legislation and progress for close to the last half century.
Good article, but it doesn’t support your thesis that the sanctions are about China hacking at all. The idea they’ve managed to achieve this through hacking to steal technology is completely non-existent in the article.
The article suggests they just openly bought materials to produce this stuff lol.
Though it would be cool if they did “steal” it, IP is bullshit and particularly when used to forward unequal trade relationships internationally, depressing wages and creating US-centric systems of control. Using common ideas to create cool new stuff and circumvent US sanctions would be a good thing.
In case the things I’m saying seem alien, international IP rules were set up to favor colonizer nations at the expense of colonized nations, as there is an advantage to maintaining monopoly control over technology when the relationship you want with other countries is purely to extract their labor and natural resources. It is a means by which to prevent the redevelopment of countries ripped apart by colonial activity, as this would threaten domestic profits.
It is also a race against the other impact of protectionist policies, however: preventing that tech export to China is actually going to subsidize China creating its own tech, as they’ll only be able to attain it through domestic production. This is how imperialist powers developed their own industries: the British Empire, for example, forced India to destroy its own fine textiles industry, export cotton, and import British-made textiles. Export and running of textile tech to India was explicitly banned alongside flooding the market with British factory-made textiles.
The US is using the only weapons it knows how to use - ones intended to limit others’ ability to develop - but they will often backfire because China is not in as weak of a position as the countries the US usually bullies and/or tries to destroy.
If China is successful, it must be because they are stealing! Because there is no way for the fastest growing economy of the last 30 years to be successful in cutting edge technology.
Grow up!
I mean there is direct evidence of them stealing and leap frogging see nortel, need I name more?
So the Americans say. I’m not inclined to believe them.
China absolutely steals, my company had a data breach about a year ago, the bad actors were traced back to a Chinese competitor. Thankfully they didn’t get any of our IP, but they were specifically looking for IP to steal. It’s a known thing, China simply steals and uses shitty materials to make substandard products, they’ve been doing it for decades.
Do you read news? Try it!
If the greedy rich bastards hadn’t shut down operations in the US and sent it all to China for the sake of not paying higher wages/ avoiding unions 40 years ago, We may not have had Huawei or any of many of the draconian peer like clones emerge in China.
The US oligarchy is mostly to blame for the loss of this industry. Now that it has a foot hold in China and it’s making their 1% that money you’re damn right they’ll do anything to keep it that way.
All of it is a sickness, bloody smart phones can burn in blazes for all i care.
There’s some great irony in how the communists didn’t even have to seize the means of production, it was handed to them on a platter by western capitalists in pursuit of short term profit.
CCP loyalists only pay lip service to thier…ahem.…“communism” while stuffing their fat capitalist wallets and exploiting their own people now.
Wealthy Chinese corporatists entwined with CCP leaders really are the ultimate example of why there is no war worse then the class war. Two faced hypocrites playing all sides.
Amen. The CCP has been able to do better by its people for a while but has instead done what any greedy fucks do. Perhaps not what the absolute greediest fucks do.
