- cross-posted to:
- world@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- world@lemmy.world
Summary
Vladimir Putin responded to Ukraine’s US-backed ceasefire proposal by imposing strict conditions, including a halt to Kyiv’s military aid and mobilization, while continuing Russia’s own rearmament.
His calculated stance prolongs negotiations without outright rejecting Donald Trump’s initiative, which seeks to end the war while pressuring Ukraine.
Putin also demands Ukraine’s demilitarization, exclusion from NATO, and recognition of Russian territorial claims.
Trump, with limited leverage, may shift toward aligning with Putin’s terms. Meanwhile, Ukraine fears the ceasefire could allow Russia to regroup and intensify its offensive.
Well very obviously no. Russia is offering nothing. Very specifically no guarantees, they want to prevent them getting weapons and prevent them going into any military alliances. That’s total destruction of Ukraine.
And that is something that their opinion leaders have always claimed is the goal.
Ukraine has no other option than to fight, even if every nation in the world stops helping.
That’s not total destruction of Ukraine. Words have meaning.
Fighting until all Ukrainians are dead or have fled or surrendered is not really a great option, is it?
You are a master of missing the point! I salute you!
That is 100% the total destruction of Ukraine, because the only reason for wanting your adversary to give up weapons and give up alliances and pretty much give up sovereignty is to finish them at a later time. There is no other reason. Ukraine has reason to stop fighting without any safety guarantees.
That’s not destruction of Ukraine.
Destruction of Ukraine is what might happen if there’s no ceasefire.
So you think if someone attacks you, then says that they will only stop if you give them everything they want, plus stop resisting and not call anyone for help, that you are safe.
That’s insane. Nobody in their right mind would accept that.
No, I didn’t say any of this. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
You are free to correct my interpretation.
Ukraine can’t win against Russia. It can try to limit the damages now and keep existing as a country or continue the war and risk being entirely invaded. That’s a risky proposition.
Unfortunately it is becoming evident that European countries will not join the war and therefore Ukraine is on its own.
That Ukraine can’t win is not a serious statement. Any country can win any war. That is clear from the human history. It’s never only about size or strength. Only in recent history we can see that a poor country of Afghanistan, beat both the Soviet Union (and helped bring it’s collapse) and the US.
By conceding everything to Russia, they will be entirely invaded within a few years. The concessions are directly made for that. People in the Russian government have stated that goal, their opinion leaders have stated that goal, Putin has started that goal, maybe not in those words, but more or less. The concessions are made for that, to keep a country weak, for an invasion. There is no other reason to have concessions like that.
Ukraine has no other option than to continue fighting. If they get no serious security guarantees, guarantees better than the Bucharest memorandum, they can not stop fighting and resisting as that would mean they will surely lose everything.