Functional programmers still pretending side effects snd reals world applications don’t exist.

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991

But when asked about support or opposition to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the territories occupied in 1967, i.e. defining the borders of the state and without linking it to the two-state solution, support rises to 59% (60% in the West Bank and 59% in the Gaza Strip), while 37% do not support the establishment of such a state.

Support for a two-state solution is usually linked to public assessment of the feasibility of such a solution and the chances for a Palestinian state. Today, 57% (compared to 65% three months ago) believe that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion, but 39% (compared to 34% three months ago) believe it remains practical. Moreover, 69% believe that the chances for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent and 30% believe the chances are medium or high.

When asked about the public’s support or opposition to specific political measures to break the deadlock, 57% supported joining more international organizations, 45% supported resorting to unarmed popular resistance, 51% supported a return to confrontations and armed intifada, 49% supported the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution and demanding one state for Palestinians and Israelis. Three months ago, 63% supported a return to confrontations and an armed intifada, 49% supported unarmed popular resistance, 62% supported the dissolution of the PA, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution in favor of a one-state solution.

We asked about the public support for three possible solutions to the conflict: the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, the solution of a confederation between the two states of Palestine and Israel, and a one-state solution in which the Jews and Palestinians live with equality, 51% (49% in the West Bank and 54% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, while 19% (14% in the West Bank and 27% in the Gaza Strip) prefer a confederation between two states. 10% (11% in the West Bank and 9% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the establishment of a single state with equality between the two sides. 21% said they did not know or did not want to answer.

As you can clearly see, the answer percentage depends a lot on what question is asked specifically.

Two state solution also depends a lot on the details. The biggest issue is the so called right of return, which would permit millions of descendants of Palestinian refugees to immigrate into Israel proper. That’s of course unacceptable to Israel.

If you directly asked Palestinians and Israelis if they want peace, the vast majority would answer either yes. The conditions of what’s considered a viable peace is different.

The two state solution was favored among Israelis during the peace process up to the second intifada. Afterwards an increasing number of Israelis rejected two states as unrealistic because they didn’t see a willing partner on the Palestinian side. Put it another way, many Israelis don’t believe a Palestinian state would actually bring peace. The withdrawal from Gaza and the continued attacks on Israel from Gaza over the last decades is seen as an example of that.

I misremembered it‘s spelled lagom är bäst. It means the middle is the best. Meaning mediocre non-confrontational conformity is great, among other things.

Now compare the numbers for Palestinians with surveys from PCPSR or similar.

Lagom e best is commonly said in Sweden for a reason.

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Sure, the IDF takes in a few 17 year olds. I haven’t heard of anyone underage serving in combat though. I’m sure it happened during the war of independence and earlier at times though.

Hamas reportedly used minors in military roles in Gaza, mostly lookouts and such.

Military training for 15 year old teenagers is not the same as 17 year olds.

Israel is a state and can legally recruit 16 year olds and older. I’m not aware that Israel does this though. Hamas as a non state actor is only allowed 18 years and above.

The use of minors by Palestinian armed groups has been documented many times over the decades.

Have you ever talked to Palestinians? This isn’t even a secret. The youth culture, especially in refugee camps, is big on idolizing martyrs.

The most recent example of a terrorist group run by teenagers is Lion‘s Den in the West Bank.

Now, is every Palestinian teenager member of an armed group and fighting actively? Certainly not.

Read my comment until the end.

Palestinian teenagers joining the ranks of armed groups like Hamas are nothing new.

I have read several reports of Gazan boys being used as unarmed sentries and scouts by militants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups

https://www.dci-palestine.org/child_recruitment

https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-11-24/israel-hamas-truce-15-teens-accused-of-terrorism-to-be-freed-in-exchange/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/15000-young-gazans-complete-hamas-terror-training-camps/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-accuses-hamas-islamic-jihad-of-using-child-soldiers/

Death sentences for combatants are of course illegal and unacceptable, especially when underage.

The Knesset also contains people opposed to the war. I don’t see how such an attack would bring a military advantage.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule8

In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose partial or total destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

Killing Hamas civilian leaders in charge of internal security, meaning they also hunt Israeli spies, would bring an obvious military advantage.

Attacking the Israeli defense ministry or border police, the prime minister, or the cabinet could be justified as giving a military advantage.

Now, I’m not sure if civilian leadership of the armed forces count as combatants or not. However an attack should be covered by the above. IANAL of course.

Don’t get me wrong. Israel certainly commits war crimes, I’m not sure this was one.

The BBC reports things both sides find inconvenient for their narrative.

Yes, their numbers are the best available. The health ministry has adjusted and corrected their numbers at times though. They increase the total number reported quickly just from media reports. Over time they document individual deaths, identify bodies, and so on. So there’s a constant mismatch of reported deaths snd documented the deaths. Over time this gap closes though.

Deaths from starvation are included. They amounted to two dozen or so, last time I checked.

Bad health care conditions of course increase the likelihood of deaths from preexisting chronic diseases, treatable diseases or injury, and so on. So the elderly and the very young are more susceptible to dying than during peacetime. AFAIK this excess mortality isn’t typically counted towards civilian casualties in wars.

So far there have been no epidemics documented, that resulted in high numbers of deaths. The Polio epidemic has one documented case and resulted in a ceasefire with a big vaccination drive.

So these estimates of 180,000 are not backed up by hard data as of now.

The health ministry does not distinguish between combatant and civilian deaths. Additionally people shot by Hamas for espionage/treason or other crimes are not listed separately.

Both Bardaweel and Barhoum were members of the 19-member Hamas decision-making body, the political office

Killing members of a government at war is something else than killing civilians.

Why is it nonsense? Hamas has been the government in Gaza for twenty years and ran a pretty authoritarian and harsh regime. There are no institutions in Gaza run against the will of Hamas.

BBC is accused by Zionists all the time to be biased against them.

The article is from November.

That estimate has turned out to be wrong. Even the author of the lancet piece distanced themselves from it.

Hamas has every reason to present a high death toll. There have been several adjustments of the numbers as well over time.

They estimate another 10k buried under the rubble.

The number of deaths has only been increasing slowly for months.

Also notable is that Hamas and the other militants have not released a number of dead combatants.

There’s enough proven death and destruction. Clinging on to false number from the Lancet is just spreading misinformation and doesn’t help Palestinians.

Why was that BBC article even linked? It’s from November last year and the numbers have changed since.

Matrix/Element has shitty usability and reliability compared to Discord.

For lots of communities, they could use modern forum software like Discourse with better results.

This number might count soldiers several times. If a soldier gets injured and becomes a casualty, they can heal up and then serve again. So the same soldier could be injured and recover three times and then be killed. That would make hm a causally four times.