Article is in italian I couldn’t find any news about this in english but i believe it’s really important to share.
"Sono attesi dagli 80 ai 90 aerei all’aeroporto Marco Polo di Venezia. Jet privati da Los Angeles, New York, Londra e Dubai scaricheranno in laguna un carico scintillante di star, imprenditori, supermodelle, influencer e tycoon. Il traffico aereo privato sarà talmente intenso da richiedere un coordinamento speciale tra l’aeroporto di Venezia e gli scali di riserva a Verona e Treviso. "
Translation:
"80 to 90 planes are expected at Venice’s Marco Polo airport. Private jets from Los Angeles, New York, London and Dubai will unload a glittering cargo of stars, entrepreneurs, supermodels, influencers and tycoons into the lagoon. Private air traffic will be so intense that it will require special coordination between Venice airport and the reserve stopovers in Verona and Treviso. "
Poor people are who should use EVs the most. They have been on the market for 15 years now, you can get dirt cheap older models. Bolt, eGolf, Zoe or Leaf can be had for under 5k. Cheaper to power, cheaper to maintain, cheaper to run. Plus more convenient and fun, subjectively.
Also recycling is part of “reduce, reuse, recycle”, which not only can help “save the planet”, it will definitely and immediately save your wallet. Even if someone supposed to do the recycling, doesn’t.
5k? Not where I live, and you need charging stations, and sometimes subscriptions (for the Zoe). EV start at 30k in France, it’s a luxury car that poor people cannot afford and/or charge.
As for the reduce, reuse, we all do that already. I was referring to recycling which don’t not happen compared to rich people who are shaming us and destroying the planet at the same time.
BTW, you don’t need a subscription for the Zoe. You can either buy the battery or rent it, but there’s no subscription.
Le bullshit
100% those are scam listings or bait and switch. You get there and they “just sold it” but here’s one they just happen to have that’s 3x the price, let’s get you a loan for 35%apr.
A 2013 Nissan leaf is worth less than 1500 euros, because it’s 12 years old, the battery has 80km range left on a good day and newer models have better range.
There’s one on the lot near my house for 4k. Still less than 30k. Still bullshit.
3x1.5 is 4.5k. Still a good price for an EV BTW.
Brand new cars for 1500€? I wouldn’t waste my time on such scams.
In no world are 4+ year old cars with 20k kms on them “new”.
“new”
Less than 100k km is new. Yes.
Who the fuck buys brand new cars??? No wonder you are poor. Buying a new car is a fucking luxury. 40% depreciation on the first day.
I explicitly said that EVs have been on the market for 15 years so you can get a USED one for cheap.
I bought a new car. I did so in late 2021. My wife and I needed a new vehicle (we had been using her parents’ car while they were away, but they had come back), and the used car market was insanely inflated. To the point where the value of a new car actually made sense, especially when coupled with the supplier discount I had access to and the features we wanted.
Someone has to buy new cars. Where do you think used cars come from?
Covid was the exception, where used cars were at times more expensive than new. At any other point, including now, it’s an automatic 20 to 40% loss of value as soon as you drive it the first kilometer.
Someone has to buy new cars. Some has to buy rolexes. Someone has to buy business class seats and 5 star hotel rooms. If you are buying any of that while poor, that is the reason you stay poor.
This is a common misconception. The car is still worth what you paid for it. You can’t turn around and sell it for what you paid for it, because the dealership can get the same car from the manufacturer at cost. No reason for them to lose the profit they just gained selling it to you. You can’t sell it to a third party for what you paid for it because they can get it from the dealership for that price, and that will come with added benefits that a private sale won’t.
It’s simple accounting though: the value of the car TO YOU is what you spent on it. That value depreciates over time, but not because you can’t immediately sell it for what you paid.
Generally speaking, a new car will cost significantly less in maintenance for the first few years. Used cars, especially less expensive ones, tend to cost more to own. It is yet another example of it being expensive to be poor.
The value is the resell value. If you can’t sell it for what you paid, it lost value.
It doesn’t happen with a used car. Buy a 3 year old car, don’t like it, sell it next week for the same price.
And the whole discussion started because EVs are cheap to maintain, so buying a used one is a great option.
How convenient when I talked before about shaming poor people.
How is that shaming poor people? It’s shaming dumb behavior. New cars are the most expensive purchase a normal person can do. Thousands up to tens of thousands of euros of value gone in an instant. If you can afford it and you want to give yourself a treat, go ahead, but if you are poor, that’s what keeping you poor.
Shaming imprudent spending behaviour != “shaming poor people”
How about improving income distribution so people can buy a decent new car? It is fucking pathetic that the US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia.
New cars have always been a bad investment, a luxury item. You can get a year old car with 5k on the clock for a 40% discount. I’m all for improving income (and wealth) distribution, but everyone buying new cars should not be the goal.
No you can’t. That’s maybe what the dealership will pay you for a trade-in, but not what you would pay to purchase such a vehicle.
Well, it’s what I paid for mine in 2019, so you are free to belive what you want. Discounts between 10% and 40% are expected:
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https://www.mobile.de/magazin/artikel/jahreswagen-was-ist-das-und-lohnt-es-sich-54458
So, ev’s age such that the EV’s die with the batteries. Most the EVs on the used market are teslas* or absolutely at their end of life, as far as value goes-most of the cost of an ev is in those batteries.
While I don’t disagree with the sentiment… the reality is that used evs are a shitty option. What we need to be doing, that would benefit everyone, is building out mass transit, that run 24/7 and at reasonable frequencies.
(*which there are oh-so-many reasons to not drive, including that Tesla will still be profiting from you, even if you get it used. Because they track the shit out of you driving to train their FSD.)
The EV battery dying the moment you look at it funny is a myth, if I were conspiratorial I’d say by the oil industry, but I firmly believe hanlon razor comes into play here.
Yes they degrade, but they are still useful.
LFP batteries (introduced around 2020) have an estimated lifespan of a million kilometers. The NMC ones less, around 400k, with warranties covering 200k.
If you are really worried despite all the data, Renault allows you to buy the car and rent the batteries. Those cars are on the market for about 3k nowadays, plus battery rent 60€ a month. Never worry about the battery, if it degrades Renault gives you a new one. They know they will make a big profit, because again, batteries don’t degrade that easily.
Mass transit is the best solution but plenty of people still need cars, and for those people used EVs are the best economic (and ecological) option.
Yeah.
So you’re kinda full of it aren’t you?
15yo ev’s driven normally are going going to be out of warranty, and probably pretty close to EoL, which was my point to start with.
Most used EVs on the market are approaching their end of life. And with batteries, range goes down before it’s technically EoL,
The mileage you dropped is just another way to say that.
Also, the truck in question will be pretty cheap and suitable for developing countries, so that’s Jeffie accidentally doing the right thing for once. Just because he’s involved in financing some project, doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Until it is on the market for the supposed cheap price it is just a rich fuck pretending to do the right thing.
Remember when Teslas was going to have a budget model?