• MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca
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    17 hours ago

    I don’t think everyone has to have read the original source material to enjoy something made from that material.

    But if you’re going to complain about it being faithful to the source material? Naw, that’s in no way legit.

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      15 hours ago

      Plus… Like, definitionally, Superman was not born on US soil or to American parents. He doesn’t have birthright citizenship

      He’s a literal alien with a fake identity, at the very least he’s an immigrant, in every canon

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        6 hours ago

        Not every canon.

        There is an origin story in the 90’s where he isn’t an immigrant from Krypton. And a couple of original drafts have him gain powers through super soldier serums. But all other canon make him an illegal immigrant. The whole 90 years of it.

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          13 hours ago

          There’s some room for interpretation

          He entered illegally, but also didn’t have a choice… But he’s also stateless, which is very bad and very messy

          But then he was adopted by citizens, which grants citizenship… Assuming you go through the process. Which varies by iteration of Superman, but generally I think they just said he was their biological child

          He’s also an abandoned baby, which means he could get birthright citizenship by virtue of being found on American soil… We just kind of assume random abandoned babies were born here, because what other option is there? Making people stateless is an international human rights violation

          But ultimately, he’s not human. He doesn’t get human rights, just like how non-human persons don’t have rights (even if they have certain protections). It doesn’t matter if an orangutan puts on a tie and gets a 9-5 job, even if they could speak and showed the ability to integrate into normal society… At this time, non-human persons are not legally recognized by the US

          So… His situation is significantly more tenuous than some of the people getting deported right now. But he probably would have clean paperwork, because the state doesn’t know the details of his origin and his adoptive father was smart enough to hide it from the state

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            13 minutes ago

            It doesn’t matter if an orangutan puts on a tie and gets a 9-5 job, even if they could speak and showed the ability to integrate into normal society…

            At that point, I think he’d just get elected president.

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              10 hours ago

              IDK, I’m not that into comics, especially DC

              I think they just declared him their son (which is a thing you can do if they’re still X months old) and got him an SSN and birth certificate. If you have an at home birth, you have quite a while to legitimize it

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                9 hours ago

                So, it would be a false declaration, is my point. So he’d still be an illegal alien, just naturalised by fraud.

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                  9 hours ago

                  Is it fraud though? Not necessarily… You could just say “I found this baby, and now it’s mine”, and if it’s young enough it’ll get birthright citizenship

                  But this is mostly splitting hairs… But more fundamentally, I don’t believe people can be illegal for existing, so I’m never going to say someone is.

                  But would Superman get deported if they knew his history? MAGA people are saying they’d deport Jesus if he didn’t come in “the right way”, you tell me

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                    9 hours ago

                    There is lies by omission. I’ve never found an extraterrestrial child and made a declaration to get them citizenship and adopt them, but I’d imagine the process isn’t just based on trust. Otherwise, there would be no kids needing to normalise their status. All would just get ‘adopted’ by a citizen at a young age.

                    It’s not meant to be an issue due to birthright citizenship and natural born etc, however. My recollection of the original movie is they found him in his spaceship. In Smallville, the spaceship was hidden in their barn. I think they told people in town he was from Martha’s family elsewhere and they adopted him. I don’t fully recall, but there was definitely subterfuge. I don’t know what the comic said. I don’t think they would go into the beurocracy of the adoption process, either way, but having gone through it in real life, I can tell you that it’s long and slow with lots of checks and paperwork.

                    My point is that not only is he an immigrant, he’s likely an illegal immigrant under false pretense.