• DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    To me, it does not seem wise to just let these two continue along this path, but I am certain there are numerous internet experts out there who can explain to me why we should not intervene.

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      How would you propose the intervention happen? Sit Kim down and say “bad boy, stop it”?

      What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

      Russia isn’t going to stop them from crossing their border.

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        What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

        Drop leaflets on them inviting them to surrender and upgrade their lives to South Korean national.

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          upgrade their lives to South Korean national

          Considering that North Korean defectors are a heavily discriminated against minority in South Korea, this is unlikely to be an attractive offer.

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            Considering that North Korea is literally the worse country in the world to live it, this is super likely to be an attractive offer.

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              the worse country in the world to live it

              worst* in*

              And I dunno about that. North Korea’s average soldier age isn’t forty-five.

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                Nobody’s average soldier age is 45. Has nothing to do NK being rock bottom in country rankings. And the younger you are in NK, the more you are probably screwed.

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                    4 months ago

                    So like Poland was the worst country in Europe to live in at the start of WW2. Not because Poland was bad but because Germany and Russia were bad and would both soon be just as bad to live in as Poland.

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        What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

        Stop sabotaging peace talks, pressure Ukraine to accept the terms as they exist now before they get worse, lift the sanctions on North Korea in order to incentivize them to integrate with the rest of the world, withdraw US military equipment from South Korea. Kim Jong Un is often presented in American news like a crazy person, but truthfully he (and the rest of the actors in the North Korean state) is a rational actor and the “hermit kingdom” is not an aspirational goal of the DPRK but a state of affairs that has been forced upon them by decades of sanctions and isolation - give them a reason to be neutral, and assurances that they won’t be stabbed in the back (as they have been in previous deals with Western countries), and there’s a good chance they’ll take it.

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          Hmmm. While that would technically stop Russia from needing the troops in Ukraine, I don’t think that just giving a dictator sections of land because he claimed them is a good path.

          “Just give up when I take your shit” is a shit take.

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            Ukraine had an opportunity to keep the Donbas by implementing the Minsk Agreements. Zelensky literally ran on the promise of ending the war and implementing the agreements. This path was not chosen by Russia, it was chosen by the Ukrainians, who refused to reconcile with their Russian-speaking minority groups. With every passing day, the deal will only get worse for the Ukrainians, and the sooner they accept the better the deal they will get.

            But instead America and Europe are ready to do whatever it takes to throw every single Ukrainian body directly into Russian (and North Korean) artillery.

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              4 months ago

              “They could have not gotten invaded if they just gave up their rights to protect themselves!”

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      4 months ago

      You mean Russia and NK?

      Or you meant the two countries in the middle of illegal invasions: Russia and Israel?

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        Fuck Israel, but that being said what the hell does Israel have to do with anything here?

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          Israel and Hezbollah have been exchanging rocket fire, and Israel is talking about a ground invasion.

          Hezbollah has a defense treaty with Iran, Iraq, Russia, and another ME country I’m blanking on.

          If Israel invaded Lebanon in an attack on Hezbollah, that draws in Russia, and likely NK.

          Israel and Russia are the two countries invading others that I believe are the primary drivers towards WW3. NK is just a long for the ride until/unless they launch an attack on SK.

          But I think before that happens, we’ll solidly be in WW3. I think NK is onboard now, with the promise to be backed against SK later. No one is attack NK unless NK starts some shit, they don’t need a defense treaty.