I’m honestly surprised it’s not more common. Especially in the US. I see nothing but horror stories from teachers about how uncontrollable kids have gotten in recent years. Plus videos of teachers being attacked by their students, or just straight to getting shot by them.
This generation of kids is causing so much trauma for teachers these days, it’s insane.
Education is certainly underfunded, but I don’t see how you can blame toxic kids and parents on that. Sounds more like a symptom of a couple of generations of atrocious parenting to me.
just strange I suppose that you don’t see this is systems where the education is better funded. granted it might take a few generations to really take hold. but funding education should be obvious.
I’d actually hazard a guess that on average, parents are older these days. I don’t think the issue is really young parents, it’s that parents don’t discipline now. They just shove a screen in front of their kid instead of having a meaningful conversation. Parents now were raised with somewhat instant gratification and it’s even worse with their kids.
My GF’s daughter is asking some of her teachers if she can put a voice recorder up front to record the teacher so she could learn. Because the students talk to each other over the teachers and literally curse out the teachers when they try to maintain order. I was shocked - 30 years ago, sure there were a couple of bad apples in some classes, but they’d get ejected if they failed to shut the fuck up after being told to shut the fuck up.
Private schools can’t discriminate against protected classes but they can ABSOLUTELY use behavior as selection criteria. That said, sometimes what it takes is a totally different approach to discipline to reach “problem students,” approaches that aren’t often available in the public school context. Some respond well to iron-fisted authority, some respond well to restorative practices and circles, etc., while some need a ton of personal attention. Some “problem students” have problem parents, some don’t. It’s a shame that our public education system is as underfunded as it is, that school boards are political, that our public system is, by-and-large, one-size fits all. Charter schools and magnet schools provide some free public alternatives, but most progressives label them as destroying public school funding (at least, until they realize, like I did, that where I live, the standard public school system is a political shitshow and that sending my kid there would lead to conservative indoctrination). My local charter is chock full of incredibly passionate teachers that have an expansive view of the world. Of course I’d sign my kid up for their lottery.
They do. They’re called Charter Schools, and letting folks online know that you’re going to send your kid to one is a great way to get downvoted. I have no interest in sending my kid to a rural public school system that is leading the charge against “woke,” whatever that is.
I’m honestly surprised it’s not more common. Especially in the US. I see nothing but horror stories from teachers about how uncontrollable kids have gotten in recent years. Plus videos of teachers being attacked by their students, or just straight to getting shot by them.
This generation of kids is causing so much trauma for teachers these days, it’s insane.
The issue stems from the generation of the parents, the children are a symptom of their environment.
Certainly not the systemic underfunding of the education system.
Education is certainly underfunded, but I don’t see how you can blame toxic kids and parents on that. Sounds more like a symptom of a couple of generations of atrocious parenting to me.
Part of the reason toxic kids and parents exist is because administration doesn’t support teachers either. It’s an entire system of issues.
Bro, you can ‘fund’ it as much as possible and children are still going to behave like animals if they don’t have any home training.
just strange I suppose that you don’t see this is systems where the education is better funded. granted it might take a few generations to really take hold. but funding education should be obvious.
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Or kids being raised on the internet. Shit heads teaching kids to behave like shit heads.
Yeah. A lot of the shitty parents had kids at a very young age this generation and we’re seeing the repercussions of that.
You need to be able to take care of yourself before you can take care of someone else.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing more kids raised by their grandparents because their actual parents are shit.
I’d actually hazard a guess that on average, parents are older these days. I don’t think the issue is really young parents, it’s that parents don’t discipline now. They just shove a screen in front of their kid instead of having a meaningful conversation. Parents now were raised with somewhat instant gratification and it’s even worse with their kids.
Is this based on actual statistics of any kind, or just your ass?
People have never had kids later than this generation.
My GF’s daughter is asking some of her teachers if she can put a voice recorder up front to record the teacher so she could learn. Because the students talk to each other over the teachers and literally curse out the teachers when they try to maintain order. I was shocked - 30 years ago, sure there were a couple of bad apples in some classes, but they’d get ejected if they failed to shut the fuck up after being told to shut the fuck up.
I personally think teachers in that environment should work together and open up their own schools.
How does that solve the problem with unruly children? It just puts them in a new school with more liability than when they were just teachers.
Sorry, I meant to imply that this school run by them would have the authority to pick and choose who gets to attend.
The unruly children would simply be barred.
Ehhh, there’s a lot of liability in picking a choosing who can attend. Ripe for a discrimination lawsuit.
Private schools can’t discriminate against protected classes but they can ABSOLUTELY use behavior as selection criteria. That said, sometimes what it takes is a totally different approach to discipline to reach “problem students,” approaches that aren’t often available in the public school context. Some respond well to iron-fisted authority, some respond well to restorative practices and circles, etc., while some need a ton of personal attention. Some “problem students” have problem parents, some don’t. It’s a shame that our public education system is as underfunded as it is, that school boards are political, that our public system is, by-and-large, one-size fits all. Charter schools and magnet schools provide some free public alternatives, but most progressives label them as destroying public school funding (at least, until they realize, like I did, that where I live, the standard public school system is a political shitshow and that sending my kid there would lead to conservative indoctrination). My local charter is chock full of incredibly passionate teachers that have an expansive view of the world. Of course I’d sign my kid up for their lottery.
They do. They’re called Charter Schools, and letting folks online know that you’re going to send your kid to one is a great way to get downvoted. I have no interest in sending my kid to a rural public school system that is leading the charge against “woke,” whatever that is.