The incident was caused when smoke was pushed in the wrong direction because of negative pressure, according to Assistant City Administrator Kevin Iffland.
That sounds like it wasn’t a method specific issue, and if anything had been burnt in that incinerator it would’ve caused the same issue.
Sounds like the facility wasn’t setup right, any facility with an incinerator should definitely have positive pressure, not negative.
So we’re blaming the facility that has never had any issues incinerating previous to this event, rather than the FBI for their clear incompetence? And y’all are not only buying but upvoting it, too? Okay.
The article has not stated who was responsible for operation of the facility.
It’s more likely the responsibility was on the staff to ensure the equipment at their own facility was functioning right
This sort of error should have been covered by prior operation licensing checks, a facility with an incinerator on premises shouldn’t have negative pressure issues
So something somehow caused a negative pressure issue.
Usually the culprit is some kind of exhaust fan being run, or a door being left open too long
Based on time of year and how hot out it is, I wonder if a staff member left a door propped open or something.
Incinerator systems need positive pressure overall.
Anyone who lives in the north and has a gas based furnace heating system knows how deadly negative air pressure can be…
It’s more likely the responsibility was on the staff to ensure the equipment at their own facility was functioning right
What makes that the more likely scenario? It seems to me the more likely scenario is that the FBI is responsible for this considering, as far as we know, this facility has never had this issue until the FBI showed up to commandeer their incinerator.
I can just picture some dick swinging Kash Patel sycophant demanding control over the incinerator since they were handling controlled substances. Its just like the L.A. police who raided a medical imaging facility looking for drugs, had their rifles sucked into an MRI machine, and then destroyed it by hitting the emergency stop button. Police always think they know best in all situations.
this facility has never had this issue until the FBI showed up to commandeer their incinerator.
Says who?
For all we know they’ve had issues everytime they incinerate but they ignored it cuz a lil bit of smoke from 1 cat is way easier to shrug off compared to a huge amount of meth
It’s very possible they just have been ignoring the problem because normal smoke from incineration a very small cadaver isn’t a big deal, whereas meth fumes are extremely toxic and not something you can just shrug off
Lord knows I’ve worked with workers who have the “I’ve been doing it this way for 10 years and never had an issue, don’t be a pussy” type of attitude too
So hard to say, without more info it’s basically just us speculating.
The universe around us isn’t black and white. Have you considered that two things could be wrong instead of one? 😲
Generally though, a facility that operates in a particular manner that is used in the manner in which it is supposed to operate and it fails to operate in the expected manner. That’s a facility problem.
… Why are they incinerating there in the first place though. I would figure that government entities would have procedures on confiscating, labeling, storing, and disposing of evidence in a safe manner. Not just throw it in the local animal shelters incinerator lol.
I know that when police in my area need to destroy evidence that’s no longer needed (and can’t just be disposed of in normal waste streams, or sold or what have you) they normally take it to a local garbage incineration plant.
There was also a steel mill in the area at one point and their furnace was occasionally been put to use for similar purposes (tangential - there was at least one instance I’ve heard of where the US mint used that furnace to dispose of a batch of coins they were testing a new alloy or process or something on)
Maybe in the area of Montana they were limited in choices, thought this place would do, but did not do a test run to ensure ventilation, leading to terrible results. Perhaps the unit was seldom used and poorly maintained (the fact that there were kittens in the same room as the incinerator seems crazy to me)
The incinerator is usually used by animal control officers to dispose of euthanised animals, but local authorities said it can also be used by law enforcement to burn seized narcotics.
Which is both an incompetence and a facility problem in this case.
Systems like fans when an incinerator is active shouldn’t rely on a human to flip switch. This should be automatic or there should be a lockout system that prevents the incinerator from operating if certain conditions are not first met.
Maybe, I’m not sure how the things work. It’s entirely possible that it uses 150% more energy due to heat loss when the exhaust is on so there’s a procedure in place to pre-heat without ventilation and then use the fan for each incineration, returning to an idle state in between each.
That sounds like it wasn’t a method specific issue, and if anything had been burnt in that incinerator it would’ve caused the same issue.
Sounds like the facility wasn’t setup right, any facility with an incinerator should definitely have positive pressure, not negative.
So we’re blaming the facility that has never had any issues incinerating previous to this event, rather than the FBI for their clear incompetence? And y’all are not only buying but upvoting it, too? Okay.
The article has not stated who was responsible for operation of the facility.
It’s more likely the responsibility was on the staff to ensure the equipment at their own facility was functioning right
This sort of error should have been covered by prior operation licensing checks, a facility with an incinerator on premises shouldn’t have negative pressure issues
So something somehow caused a negative pressure issue.
Usually the culprit is some kind of exhaust fan being run, or a door being left open too long
Based on time of year and how hot out it is, I wonder if a staff member left a door propped open or something.
Incinerator systems need positive pressure overall.
Anyone who lives in the north and has a gas based furnace heating system knows how deadly negative air pressure can be…
What makes that the more likely scenario? It seems to me the more likely scenario is that the FBI is responsible for this considering, as far as we know, this facility has never had this issue until the FBI showed up to commandeer their incinerator.
I can just picture some dick swinging Kash Patel sycophant demanding control over the incinerator since they were handling controlled substances. Its just like the L.A. police who raided a medical imaging facility looking for drugs, had their rifles sucked into an MRI machine, and then destroyed it by hitting the emergency stop button. Police always think they know best in all situations.
Because it’s their facility
Says who?
For all we know they’ve had issues everytime they incinerate but they ignored it cuz a lil bit of smoke from 1 cat is way easier to shrug off compared to a huge amount of meth
It’s very possible they just have been ignoring the problem because normal smoke from incineration a very small cadaver isn’t a big deal, whereas meth fumes are extremely toxic and not something you can just shrug off
Lord knows I’ve worked with workers who have the “I’ve been doing it this way for 10 years and never had an issue, don’t be a pussy” type of attitude too
So hard to say, without more info it’s basically just us speculating.
I can agree with this. Either one of our “most likely scenarios” is just speculation.
But they need to feed their lazy outrage addiction
Damnnnnnn critical thinking really is dead.
The universe around us isn’t black and white. Have you considered that two things could be wrong instead of one? 😲
Generally though, a facility that operates in a particular manner that is used in the manner in which it is supposed to operate and it fails to operate in the expected manner. That’s a facility problem.
Human error included.
… Why are they incinerating there in the first place though. I would figure that government entities would have procedures on confiscating, labeling, storing, and disposing of evidence in a safe manner. Not just throw it in the local animal shelters incinerator lol.
I know that when police in my area need to destroy evidence that’s no longer needed (and can’t just be disposed of in normal waste streams, or sold or what have you) they normally take it to a local garbage incineration plant.
There was also a steel mill in the area at one point and their furnace was occasionally been put to use for similar purposes (tangential - there was at least one instance I’ve heard of where the US mint used that furnace to dispose of a batch of coins they were testing a new alloy or process or something on)
Maybe in the area of Montana they were limited in choices, thought this place would do, but did not do a test run to ensure ventilation, leading to terrible results. Perhaps the unit was seldom used and poorly maintained (the fact that there were kittens in the same room as the incinerator seems crazy to me)
Read the article:
Naw, someone failed procedure and didn’t turn on one or more fans. They probably should have told the director, she could have turned the fan on.
Which is both an incompetence and a facility problem in this case.
Systems like fans when an incinerator is active shouldn’t rely on a human to flip switch. This should be automatic or there should be a lockout system that prevents the incinerator from operating if certain conditions are not first met.
Maybe, I’m not sure how the things work. It’s entirely possible that it uses 150% more energy due to heat loss when the exhaust is on so there’s a procedure in place to pre-heat without ventilation and then use the fan for each incineration, returning to an idle state in between each.
Yes, it just seems like a comedy of errors here, unfortunately the animals and staff suffered the price