Well, we will know things will have gotten real bad when they start approaching sex offenders for fertility studies in an Operation Paperclip type arrangement
Government: Hello there Ji-Mun we have found 12 perfect bachelors for you to choose from. You must complete copulation by December. Here are their bios for your review we’ll call you in 3 hours for your final engagement letter. Don’t worry, marriage is not necessary.
They are practicing this in India if I am not wrong, but it is done by the parents. They are collecting CVs of prospective partners and sharing them with their kids. So it is like Tinder for parents kind of.
I also have a Pakistani colleague and he told me that they have a dating app, but for marriages. You see the profile of the girl/boy, where they share how many kids they want to have, etc.
Yep and it never ends well but they end up staying together because divorce is looked down upon in all but the most liberal communities.
So you’re telling me all arranged marriages never end well because divorce is looked down upon?
This is also very prevalent in Chinese society.
Oh this is terrible.
I wish I was kidding, but what are the chances that China will become the first country to mass produce their new population via in vitro?
That still requires a surrogate at least, no in vitro can support all the way to viability yet. There would also need to be post-birth support for the kids to be useful to soxiety. Also essentially admitting the existing men aren’t capable of having children. Expensive af too, so seems improbable.
They’ll probably just have paid surrogates.
Yet.
Bet China will be first
Currently, China restricts surrogate pregnancy.
Reason?
So woman won’t be taken advantages of …
That still requires a surrogate at least
I mean, that’s what the camps in Xinjiang are for…
Oh I agree to all that, still. Maybe I’ve seen and read too many dystopian movies and books.
That’s some weird af premise. Honestly, I only know that sort of thing from a brave new world. What other books/ movies is that in? And are they worth reading/ watching?
Oh sure, well, for books, there’s Brave New World, which you already mentioned. You might also like The Windup Girl, where they have “New People” created for specific roles, and The Island, which deals with cloning mainly for organ harvesting. The Handmaid’s Tale explores similar themes of control over reproduction, though in a different way, and The Children of Men is another classic that dives into issues of societal control and the value placed on human life. Genesis and The Clone touch on related ideas too.
For movies, you’ve got The Matrix as an obvious choice, then Gattaca for genetic engineering themes, and Aeon Flux, which also involves heavily regulated human bodies. You might also like Logan’s Run, which depicts a society where life is strictly limited and controlled; and Moon, which explores the unsettling use of clones in isolation.
To weather they are worth reading / watching, that is kinda up to the individual i think. I found them enjoyable.
Gonna leave this here from a reply I made to a similar thread weeks ago. China’s demographics are in very bad shape.
This was mostly created by the one child policy that ran from 1979-2016, coupled with male child preference. In China, a male child is responsible for taking care of his own parents, while females are responsible for caring for their in-laws.
In large part yes, but younger generations are also not especially motivated to have kids when they already have to deal with a soul-crushing workplace (much worse than in the west).
The famous 996, they have this work culture from 9 AM to 9 PM, 6 days a week. Good luck having any power left after such a week.
I thought that was Japan.
Oh God really? My work is already pretty soul crushing, I couldn’t imagine
Yeah, it’s bad. There are fewer worker protections and unions are illegal.
Unions are illegal in a Communist state? That’s hilariously ironic and sad.
Chinese Unions are a joke, it is common practice that union preventatives would trying to convince you to be more understanding of your boss.
It’s a well known joke that the only reason Chinese Union exists is to prevent real unions to form (you want a worker union? but we already have one, go talk to them).
There is one mega-union (the only permitted one) with officials appointed by the CCP. It’s essentially a sham, like the non-CCP parties in Congress that are nominally a type of opposition but can never hold any real power.
And yes, it is ironic and sad. Nordic countries are more communist than China is. China doesn’t even have truly free healthcare like Canada etc.
It’s not communist, it’s just a nazi state with a different name.
All the rest applies, the racial bits, the cruelty and genocide, all of it.
No, I lie, the nazis didn’t execute nearly as many of their own people, nor did they restrict reproduction in the same way.
You see, it’s not communism, but communism with Chinese ideals (therefore whatever the heck the CCP wants it to be)
10x worse, you work 12 hours min and you work Saturdays, plus the boss is a lot more… Personally cruel than they are here.
If it was just that, surely there’d be a rebound visible on the chart after 2016 (8-year-olds and younger)? Instead it falls off even harder
They can’t get married till they have a house, and there are problems there…
At this point the culture had shifted to not value large families and so few even think it is possible while not having kids seems like a valid option. It takes years to shift this even with an effort to encourage kids.
Not making your society a dystopian hellscape might help.
There’s a great argument for triads here
Surplus of young single men?
They’re referring to relationships between 3 people
Are you sure they aren’t talking about the illegal Chinese mafia? The Triads.
They also have a level of youth unemployment above 20%. Between a fifth and a quarter of those Zoomers are unemployed.
Its’ so bad that they stopped publishing unemployment rate few years back, there are many talks of university students where they have to fill form about their future plans and whether they already received job offers, the teachers would encourage them to open a online store and fill the form as store owner/self employed.
It’s so bad they revised how they were measuring it to make it look better.
And then it continued to go up anyway
They invented a new term “negative growth” so they won’t have to use “decline”.
Makes me wonder whether they’re expecting to lose a significant number of young men for some reason over the next few years as well. Gotta start planning for replacements early.
Honestly I don’t think that is necessary to explain this. China is seeing the same issue as western countries with birth rates way below replacement, but it hardly has any of the immigration that mitigates it for (most of) Europe and North America. It’s not easy for an economy to support an ever-increasing proportion of its population being retirees
Have they tried letting Chinese citizens be free from totalitarianism the first time in their entire history?
Exactly. No one wants to have kids living in a totalitarianistic shit hole
Actually it is quite the opposite. But just look where the birth rate is growing. Usually it is poor, underdeveloped countries.
The more developed the nation, the more expensive the life is. Like in Munich, good luck having kids, where a 3-room apartment costs almost like the average salary. Then think for a second or third kid. No way.
Plus, we now have entertainment in our hands, 24/7, called mobile phones, be it Instagram, TikTok, Reddit, Facebook. Who wants a sloppy sex, when you can spend the time binge watching the latest TV series or having dopamine kicks from your favourite social media.
Best I can do is more restrictions on travel.
Same energy
What’s the opposite of forced abortions? Because given the history of the CCP that could be where this is heading.
Rape. Don’t let anyone sugar coat it with any other word.
Which is why they’re calling girls as young as 15.
What’s the opposite of forced abortions? Because given the history of the CCP that could be where this is heading.
“Decree 770 was a decree of the communist government of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu, signed in 1967. It restricted abortion and contraception, and was intended to create a new and large Romanian population.”
"To enforce the decree, society was strictly controlled. Contraceptives were removed from sale and all women were required to be monitored monthly by a gynecologist.[3]: 6 Any detected pregnancies were followed until birth. The secret police kept a close eye on hospital procedures. "
A consequence of Ceaușescu’s natalist policy is that large numbers of children ended up living in orphanages, because their parents could not cope with looking after them. The vast majority of children who lived in the state-run orphanages were not actually orphans, like the name implies, but simply children whose parents could not afford or did not want to look after them.
So it often comes back to the economics of the situation. Kids used to make money, helping on the farm and stuff. Now kids cost a lot of money and paying women a substantial amount (and not the pizza party amounts) to have children is deemed economically nonviable.
Every single day there are these concern troll posts about China. We get it, China bad.
