• DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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    And we aren’t trolling when we say you’ll sign your own death warrant, as a nation, and as a person.

    the richest nation on earth with a military budget larger than the domestic budget of dozens of countries combined, couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen, armed with cold war and WW2 relics, on the other side of the world, who were so culturally alien to them, they might as well have been from mars. And you’re going to pick a fight with people who all they have to do is wear a Bruins hat and they pass for an American?

    Ask the Russians how the occupation of their Ukrainian cousins territory has worked out. If you could speak to the dead that is. Those who are still alive, live looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.

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    “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.”

    So he DOES need things from us. If he didn’t need us he’d just walk away and not trade with us. But why would he he want us as a state if we didn’t have something he wanted?

    He DOES need us, our workers, and our resources but he doesn’t like that we’re our own sovereign nation. He needs us but he wants us enslaved and controlled.

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    Speaking as a Canadian… Yes, we know.

    You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.

    That’s gone now. It’ll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.

    And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.

    Was it worth it?

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      I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we’ll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It’s not even that the US was “good” (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.

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          We learned that last time Trump was president that most of our country has been run on gentlemen’s agreements. It was news to a lot of us as well.

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        Honestly I’ve been worrying for years that the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up, possibly largely along red state/blue state lines, and hopefully not triggering a violent (or god forbid nuclear) civil war in the process.

        But I can say as a Canadian, if it does come to that, and you guys can’t take back your country (which I really think you can, once you start to accept what is happening and accept that it’s gonna hurt and you dig your heels in anyway, I don’t think there’s anyone who will be able to take you down, not even Trump and crew), then we would be absolutely happy to quickly rebuild and strengthen our relationship with most of the blue states. And however you end up wanting to arrange yourselves in the end, we’ll work with that. And if you guys genuinely wanted our help, our resources, our logistical support, even our protection (what little we can provide), if things were to start looking like actual civil war, I’m sure we’d absolutely be willing to figure out what sort of arrangement is actually going to work. We’d have to at least initially discuss it as equals and as partners though, I don’t think we’d ask you or coerce you to give up your sovereignty, any more than we’d want you to take ours. But if the intention to join Canada was a popular attitude, I expect we’d be willing to consider it, probably after some cooling-off period though to make sure it’s not just a passing fad. The progressive parts of America are the parts we’ve always loved. If you guys come knocking on our door needing a couch to crash on we’re not going to ask how long you need to stay, we’re just going to go find pillows and blankets.

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          Same. I don’t honestly know how we recover as a country. Trump isn’t the cause, he’s a symptom. A tumour with a much larger cancerous problem underneath. At no point will the sane (and actual majority of us) roll over and become fascists. But at the same time, I don’t see how the third of the country that has gone full fascist suddenly regains their sanity and joins us.

          The USSR’s goal was to divide us, and the Cold War never ended, it just went underground. There is a large part of me that is afraid at this point Balkanization is our future. But how we would we even get there without causing death and destruction?

          But regardless of sentiments about losing faith in us (and I don’t blame those that feel that way, they are warranted) I do love you all who recognize that not all of us are the insane ones that make it on TV. We do still value our brothers/sisters/enbys to the north and are proud that we have a friendship unparalleled and the world’s longest undefended border. The world is a often a dark and scary place, but it’s friendships like these that make it worthwhile.

          I appreciate you internet stranger.

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            You guys are the best. I’m just south of you in the PNW and want us to always have each other’s backs.

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          the simple truth is that 95% of these people are not able to immigrate, they aren’t wealthy, they aren’t skilled. No country would take them.

          Immigration is a tedious process, Its a pipe dream for many. For a time I thought I would Immigrate to the UK when I was dating someone there, years later I realized I didnt have a chance in hell unless we were married. that was the only path that was available to me.

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    I think this bears repeating.

    We will make you forget Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The insurrection will be continent wide and we will just walk over the border and start looting weapons.

    We are tougher than anyone thinks and can survive just fine pretending to be homeless or just in your woods or in a looted home.

    We will live among you indistinguishable until something good to blow up comes along, or an American needs tied to a tree with their dick in their mouth.

    You’ll never feel safe. You’ll never be safe.

    Promise.

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      Hey, just a lone Canuck on a 10 state fire season careless smoking tour of the wests national forests oughta do it. People forget that we’re largely upwind.

      And upstream, but that’s a whole other level of sabotage.

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      All I’ll say is I’ll be watching where fire bans are in effect if it ever comes to that.

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      Hopefully the Canadians will team up with blue states and we can fight any war he tries inflicting on Canada. I am moving from Texas if we ever invade Canada, most likely Washington

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        dont worry, the Police , Red State Military, and Private Militias will already have arrested , put a gun to the head of, or straight up killed any potential blue state rebel figureheads before they make a move like invading Canada or Mexico.

        this is black and white, a Fascist coup that has taken over America.

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      Please don’t view AMERICA as your enemy, just MAGA. They may be in control of the government at the moment, but they don’t control us.

      Remember that HitlerPig’s following is only about 1/3 of the country, and they are breath-takingly stupid. MOST of Americans are your allies, and will happily fight alongside you to take both of our countries back from the Nazis.

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        Every Soldier in the Wehrmact who was in Allied territory, was an enemy, regardless of his opinion of Hitler and the party

        Every Soldier in the Russian Army, or shitbag Mercenary who is in Ukraine, is an enemy, regardless of their opinion of Putin and Russkiy Mir

        Any American who decides to just go along with orders of an invasion of an allied country , will be treated as such. An illegal occupant, an enemy combatant, a legitimate target.

        No matter how anyone wants to spin it. Soldiers have options, they may be thrown in the brig for insubordination, they may be forced to frag their officer and go AWOL. But choosing to just go along with your orders, Illegal or otherwise, is complicit guilt in the crime.

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          I’m not talking about an invading army. By all means, you should treat them with as much lethal force as you can muster. But the vast majority of Americans are as against that invading army as you are. Any American soldier who does not respond to orders to invade by defecting, is considered a MAGA traitor, and is fair game, by both Canada and American Patriots.

          “Just following orders” is never a justification. Following illegal orders is illegal.

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        I hear ya, and mean this with all due respect and just as a counterpoint.

        I think the world, and especially Canada, aren’t wrong to expect Americans as a whole to not let it get to that point - democratically, seriously. We have been, happily and willingly, consuming an entire culture of freedom and defence against tyranny. Your news is our news, including all of the violence and rationalization of it - defence of freedom.

        We know your massive protests and hard won civil rights because your media is our media just like your products are our bilateral lifelines.

        If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.

        Edit: just to try and be lighter about it - it’s like we all took in your movies and books and documentaries but America themselves in a staggering ratio seem to have missed the point or identified the wrong protagonist.

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          If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.

          Please rethink that. MAGA represents a small and shrinking number of Americans. Many millions of us voted against them, and yet they used their nefarious resources to rig the election and take power. We have been stabbed in the back as much as you would be.

          If the MAGA Nazis decide to invade Canada, you can double your forces by calling on the Patriotic Americans who want the Nazis out as much as you do.

          AMERICA is not your enemy, MAGA is. Please remember that, we are on YOUR side, and want to assist you in defeating MAGA. If it comes down to an invasion of Canada, MAGA will have an Army, and Canada will have an Army, and the American Patriots will have motivated fighters who will enthusiastically assist the Canadian army to defend your sovereignty, and we are spread all over America. Make use of that valuable resource, and your defeat of MAGA will be much easier.

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          We are, too. The tipping point is coming, but it is always impossible to predict how or when that will happen. But make no mistake, it WILL happen.

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        Just the South, and they have been the enemy of humanity for centuries, because they care far less about America than they do about their own racism, so much so that they went to war with America in the name of racism.

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          Ignorance and authoritarian sympathies aren’t drawn on an east west or north south basis anymore.

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      Just a reminder to non-canadians that a core part of Canadian identity has always been not being American. It’s a quasi-colonized pov. Make it real and it will be life-or-death for many many folk.

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        We’re not always great a describing who we are, but we sure as fuck know who we are not.

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        Yep, I frequently hear people bitching about the state of things in Canada and someone almost always follows up with “eh it could be worse, at least we’re not murican”

        Fuck murica.

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      I think that we Canadians would be more than happy to add to the Geneva checklist should it come to this.

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    We’re taking care of their military. We’re taking care of every aspect of their lives, and we don’t need them to make cars for us,” Trump told Time. “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.

    Then stop importing and we’ll see how long before it’s a problem for the people.

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    China is walking this dumbass like a dog. How about we don’t tie ourselves to this sinking ship.

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      Russia is a dying country, and they’re trying to graft the Ukrainian Population onto itself to buy itself another generation

      America is also probably a dying country, for different reasons, not population but resource. and they’re trying to graft whatever resources they dont have in abundance , so they can survive another generation or two and shut themselves off from the world whilst they tear themselves apart domestically.

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    I like to idly game this out because it truly reflects how narcissistic and uninformed he is. So, he’s talking about admitting Canada as a single state. Lets assume somehow that happens, even though the Canadians themselves would undoubtedly push for as many states as possible if joining the US were the only option.

    You’ve now got a new largest state by both population and area, and one that has ridiculous reserves of resources and a coast-to-coast infrastructure. It instantly becomes the most important state. It’s also full of millions of people who didn’t want to be Americans and who’ve had a hundred years of more progressive governance than the US. Congratulations, Republicans, you’ve just skewed the Senate and completely fucked yourself in the House for a generation or more. You’ve also got 8 or 9 million Francophones who weren’t even entirely sure they wanted to be CANADIANS, much less Americans, to say nothing of being Americans in a MAGA world. This is how real troubles begin.

    So, in return for dubious “improvements” to the trade deficit, and certain (what?) administrative conveniences (I guess) for a military that already had basically all the access anyone would ever need, as well as a giant buffer territory you’re not politically committed to defending with the same gusto you would your own soil, you completely upset the balance of power in Congress to your own party’s detriment and add a huge population that hates their situation. Brilliant.

    Although, I guess if you’re just done with free and fair elections then a lot of these concerns evaporate…

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      Doesn’t matter. He wants Canada because it is big on the map and if America had it then America would look bigger on the map and if it was at its biggest when Trump was president that would mean Trump was the best US president ever in every history book for all time. Same thing with Greenland.

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        It’s actually useful to note that Canada+USA together (19.8 sq km) is bigger than Russia (17m sq km) by about an India (3m sq km), but still short of the former USSR (22m sq km). But add in Greenland (2.3)? Now you’ve got the biggest country that ever existed.

        You’re right, making an America that is the largest country on earth is precisely what his ego is after.

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        I do unironically believe the Mercator projection has influenced how much he talks about Greenland.

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          You’re not wrong. It looks so much bigger than the 2.1m sq km that it is. In fact, it’s 100k smaller than the Democratic Republic of the Congo. When you look at a Mercator map, Greenland looks comparable to the entire continent of Africa.

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          In school I remember them teaching us that it had a psychological effect that we think Northern countries are more important than Southern ones because they’re bigger and on top and I am totally 100% on board with that line of thought

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      We’d be joined through the Puerto Rico route, as a territory. No representation. The 51 state is just a ruse to get the 17th territory, or whatever the number is.

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        Yeah, I guess just assuming ill intent and fascism makes it a simpler discussion that’s still perfectly reasonable.

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    He’s so eloquent when he speaks, like listening to a butterfly’s wings wafting over a boiling toilet

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    It’s just something to grab the headlines and make people focus on something other than Hegseth and China.

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      No, it’s not. It’s a 1930’s that focused on a bloc of the United States, Canada, and Greenland.

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    What cards does this nipple have? None.

    Canada has freedom. America doesn’t anymore. Canadians are never going to agree to rolling back their rights and freedoms for a has been country headed by a fucking dictator wannabe. Canadians will die before anything like that comes to pass. Canada may be no match militarily, but now that Canadians are aware of the dangers … that won’t be the case forever. Unless of course they decide to invade Canada right now… Not likely.

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      Canada simply can’t afford to match America in conventional warfare. America has a more powerful military than the next 5 countries combined, and Canada isn’t one of those. Unconventional warfare, on the other hand. I can’t think of anything stupider than starting an unconventional war with a neighboring country with an incredibly long, weakly inhabited, border and a population that looks and sounds mostly like your own citizens. If even 1% of Canadians had a problem with that, there would be half a million insurgents that couldn’t be easily identified.

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    It’s not him trolling us, it’s his dementia trolling us. Or maybe his plain old stupidity. Honestly it’s hard to tell at this point.

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    So, we’re back to this. His poll numbers are tanking so he has to quickly get control of the news cycle again.

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      I’m glad he got back to this literally days before a Canadian federal election.

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        Not only is he going to secure a Carney majority, he may well cost Polievre his own seat.

        We’ll be erecting Trump statues soon if he doesn’t quit being so helpful.

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        Fuckin’ seriously. I said half a year ago that a potential silver lining to Trump winning might be galvanising us to vote against PP, and it looks like that’s pretty likely to happen, so thanks, Trump, for one uplifting bit in your otherwise awful tenure.