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New European car registrations of Tesla vehicles totaled 8,837 in July, down 40% year-on-year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, or ACEA.
BYD recorded 13,503 new registrations in July, up 225% annually.
Elon Musk’s automaker faces a number of challenges in Europe, including intense ongoing competition and reputational damage to the brand.
And Xiaomi / BYD are not really that much aggressive atm. Xiaomi built factories in Hungary which just wait to start operations. Tesla is cooked in that regard.
You hate to see it
Good. May they fall another 40% in 2026. Fuck that company.
Who are the losers that still buy a Tesla in Europe?
Hopefully the people who will buy my car whenever a better car than Tesla appears. No luck so far on the latter.
What specifically is Tesla doing better than the other choices?
lmao fucking what? There are so many better cars than Tesla
There are a lot of better cars than Tesla. I’m personally a big fan of the Vauxhall Mokka-e, but I’d also much rather buy a Hyundai Kona electric than any Tesla.
Okay there’s nothing wrong with the Kona Electric, but neither of these cars is “better” than Tesla.
They are cheaper though. So that’s a perfectly good reason to get them instead of Tesla. You want better than Tesla, you have to look at Germany, Sweden or… Maybe the UK? Jaguar made some pretty OK EVs, which they unfortunately cancelled, but I do believe they’re planning to revise their entire strategy to become EV-only now?
Ah actually, the Hyundai Ioniq lineup deserves a look too, if you’re looking for something “better than Tesla” (well, comparable, anyway), without paying Mercedes or Volvo prices. The Ioniq 5 I test drove was quite fine, for a Korean car. Interior was nicer than Tesla’s IMO, there was an OK amount of power for the lowest spec model. Battery is big enough to facilitate roadtrips, or to commute several days, probably over a week, without charging (so if you forget to plug it in at home you don’t have to run to a quick charger that costs more + is worse for the battery). I will however say that the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 5 was not nearly as comfortable as the 2003 Mercedes E-Class I drove home after the test drive. That’s what sucks about EVs for now, you can’t yet get super cheap depreciated executive/luxury ones for low enough prices that they’re essentially disposable and you’re not too worried if an expensive part breaks. And if you DO get an Audi E-tron for super cheap, you’re liable for a battery replacement that costs way more than the residual value of the car itself :(
Hyundai I’ve tested, although not Kona but Ioniq. It was ok, but not better than Tesla.
I tried to drive a model 3 and it was infuriating to have everything on touch including turn indicators, windshield wipers and especially the gear selector.
Then a huge screen that can’t be used with your phone so you’re still forced to use a phone holder like a decade ago.
For me a car without carplay/android auto loses $5000 in value, and “touchscreen everything” removes another $5000 in value. I could only accept those compromises in a $20k car if new, $10k if used
Wait what?? I knew they overused terrible touch screen controls… But you can’t even connect your phone properly?
A lot of engineers are obsessed with touchscreen everything because sci-fi from the 70s to 90s was obsessed with that shit, so they became obsessed with it.
My understanding is that they also aim that way to reduce moving parts - since knobs, buttons, and switches are more likely to fail after 5000 uses. That, and they can update touchscreens to do whatever they want differently, like serve up ads.
5000 uses? Thats how often I click the left mouse button per day ar least. Most buttons are rated for millions of clicks.
My oldest car ever was from 1992. I bought it in 2015 and sold it in I think 2018 or 2019 or something. I do not remember there being a single failed button. There were a few knobs that had been literally torn off by someone. But not failed buttons.
It’s a cost thing. It’s cheaper to get a shitty commodity touch screen from Alibaba and slap it in a cheap bezel, hook it up to a potato, and then just outsource the design and functionality to the code team in India. It’s more expensive to actually do the industrial design to fit physical buttons and dials and source all the components required for the same. Engineers are obsessed with screens because their bosses are obsessed with cost.
It’s the consumers, not the engineers, who go all starry-eyed and get so easily wowed over a crappy $12 touch panel with shit for pixel density and fuck-all for viewing angles, because they’re the ones who have been bamboozled into believing this is all “futuristic.” Most people aren’t tech savvy enough to realize they’re being sold cheap bullshit at a premium.
What does “properly” mean in this context? In my experience, every android auto -supporting car is way worse than Tesla.
Well the way he framed it. As in you still need your phone in an holder. I figured you can’t properly control your music from Tesla. Can’t easily make calls, Bad support for other apps. I’ve never really experienced a Tesla properly, and I would way too ashamed to do so nowadays. So I don’t really know the experience very well.
I mean, infotainment is the one thing where they’re not TOO bad. I think you can just get native apps for Spotify and Apple Music. No Waze though.
You don’t need your phone anywhere, it’s just not Android auto. You can make phone calls through your phone via voice, it can play music from your phone, but there’s limited controls there to control the phone, or you can just use any of their built in music apps with full voice and touch screen controls. I think you can even do voice to text messages or have text messages read to you, but I’m not 100% sure on that one. There’s something about text messages though. You can share a map location from your phone directly to the car.
The phone connects over Bluetooth. The car itself runs apps for some services, so you log in on the car for those apps to run them natively. If you personally don’t use any of the services/apps it supports though, you’re stuck with Bluetooth only. Full forward/back/skip/ etc supported but it’s not android auto. I think all the models come with the built in phone charging cradle spot under the touch screen.
and people were still trying to buy this car, most cars has the bluetooth feature where it connects to the computer, tesla dint have that?
It connects to your phone in the sense that you can:
- Make phone calls
- Receive and send texts (no Whatsapp/signal/telegram or any other kind of app based messaging)
- Listen to audio, if you manually start the playback on the phone
- Use your phone hotspot to stream from the built-in Spotify or other streaming services, if you don’t want to pay a $120/year subscription
But it can’t do basic mirroring like most cars on the market can do.
In this way, if you want to have traffic info or speed camera alerts, you’re forced to pay for Tesla premium subscription, as there’s no other way to show a third party navigation app on the big screen (except ugly hacks like using the web browser for navigation, which is a safety hazard)
At $10 or less a month, (It’s $99 for a year, $9.99 for a month) it’s cheaper than using a gig of data on many non-unlimited plans. It’s at least a better deal than the price-equivalent GM OnStar plan for example.
For Tesla, I believe the only feature locked behind the subscription (won’t work unless subscribed, even with a separate hotspot) other than live traffic is the Tesla-app based bandwidth-intensive stuff like viewing the sentry cameras remotely, but I don’t have a definitive list.
I think the nav will take traffic into account when navigating, even if you don’t subscribe, but it won’t show you traffic. I’m not sure on that though, it may have been true a while ago and changed.
In my country I get 150 gb of 5G data for 5.99 a month, so the Tesla premium connectivity subscription is not worth at all
I already pay for almost unlimited data, and I have a 8 core with 16gb of RAM in my pocket, with all my information on it: the best option is to just mirror my device and let me use my preferred navigation system or use alternative music apps like Tempo.
It’s inefficient to have a Ryzen class computer in the car just because otherwise the mothership can’t monetize the infotainment
Of course it does. You should take everything said here about Tesla with a lot of salt. People hate them enough to lie about it.
Liquidate Musk
sopanify him, all that fat can make soap, probably use a degreaser on him.
From an american billionaire to a chinese billionaire. Glory to Europe, never doing anything well themselves.
Forgot about VW, BMW, Audi, Skoda, Mercedes, Renault, Peugeot, Opel(vauxhall for some), Volvo and a ton more.
Volvo is not European anymore. It’s owned by a Chinese Holding Group.
I’ve test driven some of those you listed and no, they’re not better.
I’ve owned several and Tesla is like driving a heap of shit compared to proper cars. QC is laughably shit.
Fuck off mate.
My Mercedes is leaps and bounds better than a Tesla in quality control.
Starting to think you’re Elon at this point.
I don’t know about Europe-wide, but in Germany usually 8 of the top 10 brands (including the top 4) are European. Ford and Hyundai/Kia are the other 2.
EDIT: sales data specifically about EVs
I would rather have a European EV than a Chinese EV. But in the end of the day I will have to settle for Japanese.
So Nissan? That’s kind of European, since their alliance with Renault.
Toyota: am l a joke to you
Toyotas are great cars, but they have been dragging their heels with their EV models.
Yeah what’s up with that? They could’ve eaten the entire market twice over with their momentum.
I drove a Toyota corolla hybrid. It was fantastic. I am a fan of Toyota Corollas in general.
Good point, that data is about EVs, and Toyota doesn’t make any that sell well.
Gee do you need to be a wizard to figure out aligning yourself with idiot right wingers wasn’t a good business decision when your entire business appeal is about being a good person and saving the planet
Saving the planet by selling cars that cost >1.5 median yearly income, pretax was always a joke.
its expensive for an such average ev car.
Good.
I don’t care who wins as long as the US loses.
I do care. I wish Europe would win. At least the US might have sane people in power half of the time. China is a full on dictatorship. They are more rational than dorito mussolini, but not really who I want to depend on.
Europe will not win because European elites are unimaginative idiots who can not see a future that does not involve sucking up to Americans.
von der Leyen basically caved to Trump in a trade deal despite having a very good hand.
Or maybe she agreed to impossibles just to placate the idiot, because TACO. It’s not over, we’ll see how it ends.
As an American, I think the only path forward for a stable world is a stable Europe, if only because the EU is the biggest non malfunctional, non antagonistic multi country body right now.
Lovely, let’s keep making certain the stupid prizes he wins are worth it. He likes Tesla so much, we could collectively do the funniest thing by making sure his fortunes end.
I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with Elon Musk unironically promoting nazis.
I haven’t bought anything from a USA company since Trump being his second term. I canceled Amazon prime. I sought out UK and EU suppliers for all my products and services. Installed Linux (German based distro, sorry fedora) closed my social media apart from lemmy and migrated my emails to an EU service. Oh and bought a Chinese made electric Dacia. You can do it, it wasn’t even hard.
I won’t buy usa things because I hate fascism
Buys Chinese electric
I mean
have you met the Chinese president for life? Feels like a really weird line you’ve drawn between acceptable and not acceptable.
Maybe, but it does feel as someone in the UK that Trump seems more like a new, clear and present danger to our way of life than the Chinese.
To the uninformed sure.
It is an incredible self-own for the USA that won’t really be felt for a few years at least. To abandon research and future markets tech like electric vehicles and green energy, and to abandon them at the exact time China goes all in on it? Are they trying to put themselves in a position of irrelevance? Because that’s exactly what I’d do if that’s what I wanted.
Hey, gotta focus on fascism first
Yes. Trump is Putin’s puppet and does anything he says.
I guess they really are. Much of the decisions are based on what TikTok tells people to think. Facebook allows for Russian influence, TikTok is steered from Beijing.
The idea of “USA shouldn’t make electric cars” dies come from China, and exists precisely in order to put USA into disadvantage.
Are you based in the US? I’m curious how much the import taxes were on the EV
I’m in the UK
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I shall. If the USA continues to threaten Canadian sovereignty, I will refuse to trade with them.
When Trump (may his anus be infested with cancerous hemorrhoids) dies, I will pop open a patriotic bottle of Crown Royal and listen to the wails of his cult with delight.
if you had any real patriotism, you would not be this complaisant as your country is flushed down the toilet
Patriotism…
Username is Ernstrommel.
Are you wearing your kampfbinde right now?
The word you are looking for is nationalism. Völkisch is the flavor you are probably after.
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What a response. I’m impressed. Are you self aware at all? Is this just ragebait? Go back to 4chan anon.
Edit: He made it 2 days… Poor guy. I hope he wakes up to reality before it’s too late.
damn, you really misunderstand what patriotism is don’t you
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60% of their business used to be racists. Now its 100%
Something something Forest Gump said what?
